Check out the shattered die on this token I just picked up!
coinkid855
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I think it's pretty cool, even though I don't collect tokens. It has a very heavy clash on the reverse, which might very well have caused the shattered die. It also exhibits reverse rotation!
-Paul
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Looks like it was overstruck on a foreign coin...anyway to check that out further?
-Paul
<< <i>Are you referring to the date on the bottom of the reverse? I'll be honest, I didn't even notice that! Maybe it was on the original design?
-Paul >>
Yep, the date which looks like "1844" or maybe "1814"; I don't see any other design though!
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<< <i>Are you referring to the date on the bottom of the reverse? I'll be honest, I didn't even notice that! Maybe it was on the original design?
-Paul >>
Yep, the date which looks like "1844" or maybe "1814"; I don't see any other design though! >>
I edited my post, hoping you wouldn't notice! That's the address.
-Paul
<< <i>VERY neat token. You have to wonder how much longer the obverse die lasted. 1 more strike? 2 more strikes? 10 more? Or? >>
Thanks! Apparently the die lasted a while though as I think this token is only R3. This does appear to be a very late die state though.
-Paul
<< <i>^ Well that answers that. I didn't think they would have needed a 4-digit address back in the 1860's...even in NYC >>
Haha, well I guess they did!
-Paul
Neat piece kid!
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<< <i>VERY neat token. You have to wonder how much longer the obverse die lasted. 1 more strike? 2 more strikes? 10 more? Or? >>
Thanks! Apparently the die lasted a while though as I think this token is only R3. This does appear to be a very late die state though.
-Paul >>
I have definitely seen other examples of this, in fact I'll admit that when I saw the title of your post I expected to see a Broas Bros token pictured. I think there are more than one shattered die variety, for whatever reason they treated those dies hard. I don't remember seeing one quite so broken as yours, though, that is definitely very close to the end of that die's life.
Sean Reynolds
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Saturday February 12, 2011 9:00 AM
I do not understand the question. Do you have one piece struck from two different "ONE COUNTRY" reverse dies, which would be considered a mule striking, or two different pieces struck from the same obverse die and two greatly-different-looking reverse dies of the same design?
Broas Bros. token dies were used extensively, and come in greatly different die states. Die clashing and die cracking is commonly seen.
Some of the heavily cracked dies are so common that one wonders how such a die could have stayed in use for so long. There is a theory that a die was made the regular way but then broke after use. Because a large coinage was anticipated, the coin then took this broken die and used it to make a hub. That hub, which showed evidence of the die cracks, was then used to make multiple working dies, all of which had the appearance of die cracks on their surfaces but were structurally sound within. They were then used to make many tokens.
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this was posted to an inquiry thread last year about the same token
<< <i>It's no coincidence he was a pie baker
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
I used to have an example but sold it a few years back.
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Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Is it 131 41st Street? >>
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Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
<< <i>Here's an older thread with an example in an earlier die state. Neither the clashing nor the obverse die cracks are ass evident as on the OP's coin. >>
... cracks are ass evident ... is that some new fangled way to refer to the reverse die crack on a coin?
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
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<< <i>Here's an older thread with an example in an earlier die state. Neither the clashing nor the obverse die cracks are ass evident as on the OP's coin. >>
... cracks are ass evident ... is that some new fangled way to refer to the reverse die crack on a coin?
We are talking about some pretty prominent cracks.
My typing is atrocious, if you haven't noticed, sorry for letting that one slip thru the....
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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<< <i>Here's an older thread with an example in an earlier die state. Neither the clashing nor the obverse die cracks are ass evident as on the OP's coin. >>
... cracks are ass evident ... is that some new fangled way to refer to the reverse die crack on a coin?
We are talking about some pretty prominent cracks.
My typing is atrocious, if you haven't noticed, sorry for letting that one slip thru the....
Sean Reynolds >>
Sean ... didn't know you were a plumber in your civilian life!
I would put that in an airtite and use it as a card holder playing poker