credit card numbers stolen at Philly ANA

FunwithMPL · August 17, 2012 11:44PM

Just to let everyone know check your card transactions. My card was used down at Philly and I know that two other persons were also used.

blu62vette · August 17, 2012 11:46PM

I have heard the same on a debit card.

MrEureka · August 17, 2012 11:47PM

Mine too.

ScarsdaleCoin · August 18, 2012 12:30AM

When you say stolen.... where did you use your CC that it might have been stolen,,,, we talking hotel, restaurant, coin dealer???

FunwithMPL · August 18, 2012 12:36AM

I did not used my CC at Philly. So someone must have been walking around with a card scanner of some type to get my numbers.

RichieURich · August 18, 2012 12:36AM

I used my credit card twice - at a hotel and at a restaurant.

And if I find out which place stole my info, I will inform the Fraud Prevention Unit.

4 times this year! What a pain it is to inform everyone and change over to a new card!

Shortgapbob · August 18, 2012 12:49AM

This area seems to be a problem for that. A good customer of mine has his numbers stolen a few months back while in the Philly area for a model train show.

BAJJERFAN · August 18, 2012 1:04AM

<< I did not used my CC at Philly. So someone must have been walking around with a card scanner of some type to get my numbers. >>

Is it possible they can scan it while it is still in your wallet?

Coinosaurus · August 18, 2012 1:06AM

We got a notification a couple days ago someone tried to charge $1 to it - obvious fishing attack. Card frozen and new number issued.....

dragon · August 18, 2012 1:15AM

<< 

<< I did not used my CC at Philly. So someone must have been walking around with a card scanner of some type to get my numbers. >>

Is it possible they can scan it while it is still in your wallet? >>

Apparently yes.

I think I remember seeing an ad somewhere for a special protective pouch (lead lined?) that you put your wallet into and then into your pocket / purse to prevent this.

lkeigwin · August 18, 2012 1:27AM

Fraudulent charges were made to my card Thurs. Second time this year. Grr. But I wasn't at the ANA.
Lance.

AUandAG · August 18, 2012 1:41AM

Here's how it's done:

Many credit cards, driver's licenses, fast track toll cards, company, government, school and
passport ID card's have a radio frequency identification chip the size of a grain of rice embedded
inside them. These chips allow for reading cards from a distance of up to several feet
There are a variety of scanners available including hand held one's which send out a radio signal
which powers the chip causing it to transmit its information to the scanner as if you had swiped
it as we are used to doing. These RFID chips are intended to make life more convenience
but the few seconds they save sacrifice our privacy and security.

A quick look on Ebay came up with this: Link

Kove · August 18, 2012 1:42AM

One of my numbers was stolen, too, and while I had the card with me I didn't use it Philly. A travel company from England tried to charge $1200 but they didn't have the CVCC on the back of the card. Sounds like there's a pretty big network at work here.

My guess is that someone had a near-field/RFID scanner hidden someplace in the convention center, and cards that have a chip in them somehow were querried and responded with all but the CVCC...

johnny9434 · August 18, 2012 1:58AM

just what we need, more headaches

COALPORTER · August 18, 2012 2:01AM

<< 

<< I did not used my CC at Philly. So someone must have been walking around with a card scanner of some type to get my numbers. >>

Is it possible they can scan it while it is still in your wallet? >>

YES / maybe

BAJJERFAN · August 18, 2012 2:03AM

<< We got a notification a couple days ago someone tried to charge $1 to it - obvious fishing attack. Card frozen and new number issued..... >>

It's pretty common for a merchant to charge $1 just to validate the card. The $1 is always refunded.

JamesM · August 18, 2012 2:05AM

I guess this is the new generation of pickpockets.

I checked all my cards for the chip(if you hold most cards up to the light you can see the chip)

COALPORTER · August 18, 2012 2:06AM

You guys should use Wells Fargo from now on. i know from personal exp.
that they dont really like any transactions done in east coast and new england
areas. I know they really hate New York and Boston. They will reject almost
any charges done in those areas. i know, when i was thrown out of a hotel
in Boston at 2AM because they said my CC was no good. !

BAJJERFAN · August 18, 2012 2:08AM

<< Here's how it's done:

Many credit cards, driver's licenses, fast track toll cards, company, government, school and
passport ID card's have a radio frequency identification chip the size of a grain of rice embedded
inside them. These chips allow for reading cards from a distance of up to several feet
There are a variety of scanners available including hand held one's which send out a radio signal
which powers the chip causing it to transmit its information to the scanner as if you had swiped
it as we are used to doing. These RFID chips are intended to make life more convenience
but the few seconds they save sacrifice our privacy and security.

A quick look on Ebay came up with this: Link >>

In what way do they make life more convenient? Does it allow a gas station clerk to scan your card so you don't even have to go inside? Can you request a card from your CC provider that doesn't have such a chip?

mrearlygold · August 18, 2012 2:17AM

<< 

<< I did not used my CC at Philly. So someone must have been walking around with a card scanner of some type to get my numbers. >>

Is it possible they can scan it while it is still in your wallet? >>

They can DRIVE around and scan them. There was an expose' on tv about it.

MilkmanDan · August 18, 2012 2:31AM

Similar to others, I WASN'T at the Philly ANA but my card was just used fraudulently, and thus canceled. It was first used for some iTunes stuff and then for "ecommerce" in Korea. Of note, I ONLY use this card for coins...I think there's something bigger going on here, like one of the larger merchants that many of us use had a breach.

ThePennyLady · August 18, 2012 2:33AM

My debit card number was fraudulently used right after I returned from Philly with several charges froom the UK and some dentist in Nevada and Oregon. So I am assuming the number was obtained while I was in Philly and I think I know where!

I called my bank within half hour of the charges appearing on my account and then went to my local branch and received a new card the same day. However, since the transactions are still being "processed," the bank said I can't file a claim until they actually post and then I will get reimbursed. But in the meantime, all the fraudulent charges are already taken out of my account - what a paiin!

Bochiman · August 18, 2012 2:40AM

<< 

<< We got a notification a couple days ago someone tried to charge $1 to it - obvious fishing attack. Card frozen and new number issued..... >>

It's pretty common for a merchant to charge $1 just to validate the card. The $1 is always refunded. >>

True. However, it is also pretty common for stolen numbers to have this done to validate the card as well and, once the smaller amounts start going through, they will attempt larger amounts.

RYK · August 18, 2012 2:41AM

<< My debit card number was fraudulently used right after I returned from Philly with several charges froom the UK and some dentist in Nevada and Oregon. So I am assuming the number was obtained while I was in Philly and I think I know where!

I called my bank within half hour of the charges appearing on my account and then went to my local branch and received a new card the same day. However, since the transactions are still being "processed," the bank said I can't file a claim until they actually post and then I will get reimbursed. But in the meantime, all the fraudulent charges are already taken out of my account - what a paiin!

>>

This is exactly why I have refused the debit card. Someone can charge through your checking account balance before you know it, and this could result in you bouncing checks, leave you unable to get cash, etc. I still maintain and use old school ATM and credit cards.

BAJJERFAN · August 18, 2012 2:50AM

<< My debit card number was fraudulently used right after I returned from Philly with several charges froom the UK and some dentist in Nevada and Oregon. So I am assuming the number was obtained while I was in Philly and I think I know where!

I called my bank within half hour of the charges appearing on my account and then went to my local branch and received a new card the same day. However, since the transactions are still being "processed," the bank said I can't file a claim until they actually post and then I will get reimbursed. But in the meantime, all the fraudulent charges are already taken out of my account - what a paiin!

>>

A few years back my CC company told me that they could not remove unauthorized charges and that the offending user had to issue credit. A call to the 800 # associated with the charger got them removed. That being said my CC issuer B of A has been very good about security for my account.

telephoto1 · August 18, 2012 2:51AM

According to friend in law enforcement, there are known Asian gangs that traffic in stolen card numbers among other things....according to him this RFID based theft happens a lot in areas with a large chinatown sector. San Fran, Chicago, NY, Philly...

jesbroken · August 18, 2012 2:51AM

I just went through the fraud department with City National Bank, as my debit card number had been compromised. The dollar charge that
went through was initiated by the company that the thief was using the card with(TEAM Z RACING LOC: East Tawas NM). A lot of companines, especially fuel stops, run a dollar through
immediately upon approving the use of a card at the pump. This let's them know the card is at least valid. After the fillup they credit your card the Dollar.
When your card is approved at the pump to get fuel, they do not know how much your card is valid for until after the fuel is pumped. I used to get upset
with this a couple of years ago, but got over it. I was glad that the fraud department caught on to the fact that I had just used the card on the east coast
and the thieves were trying to charge in NM five minutes later--great job City National Bank.
I still have not found how they got my number as I had used the card at several places.
Oh well, new card on the way, and the bank is refunding my $1 charge. No harm, no foul at this point.
Jim

BAJJERFAN · August 18, 2012 2:51AM

<< 

<< 

<< We got a notification a couple days ago someone tried to charge $1 to it - obvious fishing attack. Card frozen and new number issued..... >>

It's pretty common for a merchant to charge $1 just to validate the card. The $1 is always refunded. >>

True. However, it is also pretty common for stolen numbers to have this done to validate the card as well and, once the smaller amounts start going through, they will attempt larger amounts. >>

If the test charge isn't credited back, that shud be a heads up to take some action.

ThePennyLady · August 18, 2012 2:55AM

UPDATE: I just went online and checked my bank statement. The largest fraudulent charge (to the "laptopshop.co" in the UK) has just "fallen off" and no longer even appears on my statement, and the money is back in my account. However, there are still two minor charges in process from the UK - they are a couple dollars each that the bank said are bank fees for processing an out-of-country charge.

telephoto1 · August 18, 2012 3:02AM

I once found out my debit card had been compromised via an interesting method... one day I came home and saw a package sitting in front of my door. I hadn't ordered anything, and my then-girlfriend hadn't either. Turns out it was a box of a dozen tongue scrapers! Inside was an invoice from some company in California that sold dental-related items...the invoice had my name/address/ card number, etc. So I called up the 800 number of the company involved. Long story short, the company was aboveboard but apparently one of their distributors in Vietnam had gotten ahold of a list of stolen card numbers... and was using them to make "sales" and pad his commissions. They credited my card while I was on the phone and I immediately deactivated it afterward... my bank later informed me that there were subsequent charges from the southern US for cell phone bills, "internet services" (translation: porn), and from a supermarket in Alabama! Evidently that stolen number list got spread around quite a bit. They said they'd prosecute whomever they could- but I never heard anything further from my bank. As far as I can tell my number got compromised when I used the card to buy a couple of books online from what was evidently an unsecure site...
Sometimes I think it isn't such a bad idea to have them periodically cancel and reissue your cards with different numbers...

Coinosaurus · August 18, 2012 3:05AM

Yeah, I got hit from the UK too.

BAJJERFAN · August 18, 2012 3:09AM

Would a major bank like B of A be interested in pursuing fraud if one of their checks was used in one of those Craig's List scams?

Swampboy · August 18, 2012 4:13AM

Are these the new cards with the 'chip' in them that are being scanned right in the wallet or purse?

Just speaking with my daughter overseas and she said DOD cards come with a 'shielded' sleeve due to this issue.

MsMorrisine · August 18, 2012 4:22AM

<< Would a major bank like B of A be interested in pursuing fraud if one of their checks was used in one of those Craig's List scams? >>

My guess, if it is a large number of checks that appear to be from the same person, they may help in the investigation, but if they are from an individual's account or a commercial account, they would probably defer to the account holder to do the police contacting. A cashier's check would be a different story.

MsMorrisine · August 18, 2012 4:24AM

<< Are these the new cards with the 'chip' in them that are being scanned right in the wallet or purse?

Just speaking with my daughter overseas and she said DOD cards come with a 'shielded' sleeve due to this issue. >>

I was thinking the same thing.... maybe some aluminum foil or something may shield it.

However, I wonder (I wonder a lot huh?) if they could be "co-read" once removed for use.

MsMorrisine · August 18, 2012 4:44AM

The obvious choice now is to request a non-RFID card.

barring that, we paranoid (how paranoid am on this??) can disable/break the RFID chips simply

DrBuster · August 18, 2012 5:12AM

<< 

<< My debit card number was fraudulently used right after I returned from Philly with several charges froom the UK and some dentist in Nevada and Oregon. So I am assuming the number was obtained while I was in Philly and I think I know where!

I called my bank within half hour of the charges appearing on my account and then went to my local branch and received a new card the same day. However, since the transactions are still being "processed," the bank said I can't file a claim until they actually post and then I will get reimbursed. But in the meantime, all the fraudulent charges are already taken out of my account - what a paiin!

>>

This is exactly why I have refused the debit card. Someone can charge through your checking account balance before you know it, and this could result in you bouncing checks, leave you unable to get cash, etc. I still maintain and use old school ATM and credit cards. >>

You mean a check card, the one with a visa/mc logo that acts as a CC as well. A regular atm card prevents this, you have to have the pin for everything.

BAJJERFAN · August 18, 2012 5:18AM

<< 

<< Would a major bank like B of A be interested in pursuing fraud if one of their checks was used in one of those Craig's List scams? >>

My guess, if it is a large number of checks that appear to be from the same person, they may help in the investigation, but if they are from an individual's account or a commercial account, they would probably defer to the account holder to do the police contacting. A cashier's check would be a different story. >>

Looks to be a fake cashier's check. I assumed the guy would drop his scam after I told him to pi$$off, about a week later it showed up. The nearest B of A is 40 miles from me so I don't want to make a special trip to turn it in. Looks to be a fake cashier's check. I shud deposit it just to see if it goes.

mbogoman · August 18, 2012 5:29AM

Wednesday, I got a call from the fraud early warning from Citibank. Someone had charged .49 on my card to something called "Digital Reality". At the time of the transaction, I was in the dentist's chair and my wife was away partying with an old neighbor. Like someone said earlier, some crook has gotten a large number of credit card numbers from one of the big merchants and is testing them all out for validity.

It's a pain to have your card cancelled and have to re-enter the new number where necessary, but it beats having the credit card maxed out on fraudulent charges...

Edit: I wasn't at the ANA either - just sweltering away in SoCal...

mikeyg · August 18, 2012 5:51AM

It must be an epidemic,in the last month 3 fraudulent charges to my debit card.I cancelled the card,and will use cash or discover for now.

LindeDad · August 18, 2012 6:20AM

I think this is more than a isolated group in the Philly area. Wonder if there has been another big hack at one of the processing centers or something like that?

ebaybuyer · August 18, 2012 6:42AM

if the cards can be read from a distance, seems possible that some material would shield the card, possibly aluminum foil ?

howards · August 18, 2012 6:55AM

I've had hacked charges and had to replace my card twice in the last year. Of course, it was the card that I have all my automatic billing sent to. Wound up with a couple late charges from my vendors when the card switchover occurred on the same day they billed.

I am seriously considering getting a CitiCard. I don't like CitiBank, but their card has a feature that allows you to create a new temporary credit card number with a spending limit and expiration date of your choice. (They automatically get billed back to the main account.) I could create new numbers for all internet transactions.

Of course, that wouldn't help with thieves who drive by my wallet. Unless I left the credit card at thome.

BAJJERFAN · August 18, 2012 7:06AM

You might consider getting a second Cc from someone like Chase and use it as a backup to your primary card where you have stuff auto billed. At least it would save on late fees. I have 2 associated with my PP account. I assume one could do the same for places where you pay your normal bills.

nickel · August 18, 2012 9:40AM

Earlier this year , I bought one of those wallets that claim to have
some kind of "shield" that does not allow devices to read info . Does
it work ? I dont know , but being at airports , restaurants and malls
etc. fairly often , $10 bucks is not a lot . Can be purchased at Walgreens ,
CVS , other major chains , skymall magazine , probably Brookstone and
other similar outlets .

LindeDad · August 18, 2012 10:30AM

Looks like it is time for a new wallet......I'm ordering this one.

mariner67 · August 18, 2012 10:34AM

<< Earlier this year , I bought one of those wallets that claim to have
some kind of "shield" that does not allow devices to read info . Does
it work ? I dont know , but being at airports , restaurants and malls
etc. fairly often , $10 bucks is not a lot . Can be purchased at Walgreens ,
CVS , other major chains , skymall magazine , probably Brookstone and
other similar outlets . >>

Good idea but I wonder if someone will come up with a scanner that will read off the signal transmitted when you do pull it out.
Seems the crooks easily get the jump on and beat any type of new security.

LogPotato · August 18, 2012 11:36AM

I'm glad I decided to open this thread. I wasn't in Philly, but I had two charges on my credit card that I hadn't used in 2 months. One was in London, and another was a charge to Croatia Air. I have never been to Europe. I am jealous of my card, it travels more than me. BOA had no problem disputing the charges.

Barberian · August 18, 2012 11:48AM

<< You guys should use Wells Fargo from now on. i know from personal exp.
that they dont really like any transactions done in east coast and new england
areas. I know they really hate New York and Boston. They will reject almost
any charges done in those areas. i know, when i was thrown out of a hotel
in Boston at 2AM because they said my CC was no good. ! >>

So what good is Wells Fargo if you wind up getting tossed out of a motel at 2AM?

LindeDad · August 18, 2012 11:49AM

<< Good idea but I wonder if someone will come up with a scanner that will read off the signal transmitted when you do pull it out. Seems the crooks easily get the jump on and beat any type of new security. >>

Have to hope the the valid readers have a security protocol to block other scanners in their envelope of operation.
If not this tech is subject to a quick death.

lkeigwin · August 18, 2012 2:42PM

We should all go back to cash.
Lance.

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