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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What are the rules for using TrueView photos for personal use?

    1. Can the coin owner have a print made on their own?
    2. Can the coin owner use the photo for Ebay, or other sale purposes?
    3. Do any of the above rights transfer to new owners upon sale of the underlying coin?
  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just love, love love that 2nd (later) true view photo of the 2009 UHR

    Now that is a masterpiece!

    imageimageimage


  • << <i>What are the rules for using TrueView photos for personal use?

    1. Can the coin owner have a print made on their own?
    2. Can the coin owner use the photo for Ebay, or other sale purposes?
    3. Do any of the above rights transfer to new owners upon sale of the underlying coin? >>



    I would say yes to all three. I would chalk that up to fair use. Just so long as no one starts putting TrueViews in their own material that they intend to sell, or claim the photo is theirs and sell to Corbis or Getty.

    wingedliberty,
    I got in touch with our IT head and he said reverting the "large" image size back to 1101 x 556 (give or rake a pixel) would be no problem.

    Radiant Collection: Numismatics and Exonumia of the Atomic Age.
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/3232

  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that's fantastic news phil ... thanks for doing that!!

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Phil, thank you for all the photos over the years. Your TrueView service is one of the main reasons I have as many PCGS graded toned 8 Reales as I do.



  • << <i>What are the rules for using TrueView photos for personal use?

    1. Can the coin owner have a print made on their own?
    2. Can the coin owner use the photo for Ebay, or other sale purposes?
    3. Do any of the above rights transfer to new owners upon sale of the underlying coin? >>



    Dad told me that back in 2005, the PCGS company started the Trueview idia to help collectors market thier coins. The price was $5 per coin and $5 for a re-holder or just an extra $5 at time of grading. Hard to believe it is nearly a 400% increase in just 6 1/2 years image

    Linky to originial annoucement
  • BGBG Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Dad told me that back in 2005, the PCGS company started the Trueview idia to help collectors market thier coins. The price was $5 per coin and $5 for a re-holder or just an extra $5 at time of grading. Hard to believe it is nearly a 400% increase in just 6 1/2 years image

    Linky to originial annoucement >>


    The price is what it is. If it's too high for you buy your own camera and see how that works for you.

    No one is forcing you to use this service.

    You're $'s, spend it as you see fit. image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How long after the coins are shipped out should the TrueView photos be available?
  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    Hi Phil,
    I sent an order in that was mailed back around January 6th. You mentioned that you hold alternate images for a while and I wonder if you still had alternate images for this 48D rainbow franklin? 48D Rainbow Franklin

    If so, could you tell me if any images picked up the rich rainbow color from 9 O'clock to 2 Oclock or was this color washed out in all the photos?
    THank you,
    CC
    I'd like my copper well done please!
  • DonWillisDonWillis Posts: 961 ✭✭✭
    Just want to remind everyone that this quarter's Collector Club special is TrueViews for $10 (value less than $20k).

    This is in addition to any service the coin is submitted under.

    This has turned out to be one of our more popular quarterly specials.

  • PQpeacePQpeace Posts: 4,799 ✭✭✭
    I just had my complete 96 piece proof Barber set done by Phil... and the pictures are superb !!
    Thanks,
    Larry
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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    When PCGS puts an image of a coin in coinfacts, is there a specific reason they choose a certain coin? Is it because they consider it choice for the grade?

    I have found some of my coins listed there that I did not request to be imaged, so just wondering.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
  • PoppeePoppee Posts: 154 ✭✭


    << <i><< What are the rules for using TrueView photos for personal use? >>



    I may of missed somthing, but usually when you pay for something you own it. Is that not the case with a "True View" image???
    Heads I win, tails you lose image
  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i><< What are the rules for using TrueView photos for personal use? >>



    I may of missed somthing, but usually when you pay for something you own it. Is that not the case with a "True View" image???
    Heads I win, tails you lose image >>

    Tell that to the guy that takes your family portrait and you want to run down to Walmart and have some prints made, and see what he says. I'm actually surprised that PCGS allows you to take and use the images as you see fit.
  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This has turned out to be one of our more popular quarterly specials. >>

    Has it caused you to reconsider the price point on the TrueView service Don?
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>This has turned out to be one of our more popular quarterly specials. >>

    Has it caused you to reconsider the price point on the TrueView service Don? >>



    image
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!


  • << <i>Hi Phil,
    I sent an order in that was mailed back around January 6th. You mentioned that you hold alternate images for a while and I wonder if you still had alternate images for this 48D rainbow franklin? 48D Rainbow Franklin

    If so, could you tell me if any images picked up the rich rainbow color from 9 O'clock to 2 Oclock or was this color washed out in all the photos?
    THank you,
    CC >>




    Luckily I still have those shots. How's this?

    image

    Radiant Collection: Numismatics and Exonumia of the Atomic Age.
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/3232



  • << <i>When PCGS puts an image of a coin in coinfacts, is there a specific reason they choose a certain coin? Is it because they consider it choice for the grade?

    I have found some of my coins listed there that I did not request to be imaged, so just wondering. >>



    It's all up to Ron Guth to make the choice. Hopefully he'll come along and give a more detailed answer.

    Radiant Collection: Numismatics and Exonumia of the Atomic Age.
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/3232

  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great photo of that 1948 Frankie !!
  • DonWillisDonWillis Posts: 961 ✭✭✭
    Has it caused you to reconsider the price point on the TrueView service Don?

    Now that Phil has Eddy to help him we can process more TrueViews. This opens up a lot of possibilities. In the past we simply couldn't handle any more demand.



    When PCGS puts an image of a coin in coinfacts, is there a specific reason they choose a certain coin? Is it because they consider it choice for the grade?

    We list virtually every photo for all graded coins. Click on View All Coin Images and you will see them all. The finest coin gets the cover spot!






  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Hi Phil,
    I sent an order in that was mailed back around January 6th. You mentioned that you hold alternate images for a while and I wonder if you still had alternate images for this 48D rainbow franklin? 48D Rainbow Franklin

    If so, could you tell me if any images picked up the rich rainbow color from 9 O'clock to 2 Oclock or was this color washed out in all the photos?
    THank you,
    CC >>




    Luckily I still have those shots. How's this?

    image >>



    Phil, you nailed it. Any chance we could switch images? Thank you for working so hard for us. Your photos add a lot to our enjoyment of the hobby.
    I'd like my copper well done please!
  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    and now it looks great with its sister coin....

    image
    I'd like my copper well done please!
  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> Phil, you nailed it. Any chance we could switch images? Thank you for working so hard for us. Your photos add a lot to our enjoyment of the hobby. >>



    Amen to that comment!

    Phil, this brings up a question I have had for a long time. In the case where you have multiple photos, why do you select the one you do? Is it pure personal preference? Or is there some sort of objective criteria that you use? For example, with the case of the Franklin example why did you initially select the original photo over the 2nd optional/additional one?

    image

    image

  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    WingedLiberty,
    I know you didn't ask me but for the record, the image before the brightness got knocked down 20% more accurately portrays the color of this coin in hand.

    Interestingly though, I would say that the first image most accurately portrays the sparkler-like pop and luster of this coin though.

    I'd like my copper well done please!
  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coppercolor, I just LOVE your Franklins. Stunning coins


  • << <i>Phil, this brings up a question I have had for a long time. In the case where you have multiple photos, why do you select the one you do? Is it pure personal preference? Or is there some sort of objective criteria that you use? >>



    It's pretty much by best guess of what I think the customer may want. Unfortunately I don't have a whole lot of time to contemplate the individual photos.
    Thanks for all the comments!

    Radiant Collection: Numismatics and Exonumia of the Atomic Age.
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/3232

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hello Phil,

    My question is if a coin is currently TrueView'ed and you send it for regrade I believe you can request the photo be transfered to the new cert number with no additional fee charged, can you confirm if this is correct?

    Thanks, GrandAm image
    GrandAm :)
  • Yes, that's correct.

    Radiant Collection: Numismatics and Exonumia of the Atomic Age.
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/3232

  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Coppercolor, I just LOVE your Franklins. Stunning coins >>



    Thank you.
    I'd like my copper well done please!
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Phil,

    This coin was recently imaged in a trueview for my order. I did't remember this coin having tone.

    I receive the coin back today and the coin is virturly white. What could have happened to make a white coin look like this in an image?

    image

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  • labloverlablover Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Phil they look great, although I believe the two 1961 Proofs are a bit brighter and have more yellow in the coins then the image reflects. However, all in all they are fantastic!!!

    And, you nailed the Jefferson and 43 Quarter.

    Thanks...Jim

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    "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." Will Rogers
  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    what a stunning set of 4!
  • fcloud and lablover,
    I'll review any alternate shots I may have tomorrow morning. Perhaps I just need to tweak the color balance.
    Thanks!
    Phil

    Radiant Collection: Numismatics and Exonumia of the Atomic Age.
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/3232

  • In case you missed it, here's a link to a column I wrote for the latest ecollector ezine.

    Linky

    The idea is to make this more of a regular column for the ezine, in the form of a Q&A or possibly some other discussion related to the artistic side of the hobby we all love.

    Radiant Collection: Numismatics and Exonumia of the Atomic Age.
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/3232

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Phil, just wanted to say that you ★ NAILED ★ the color on this 8 Reales! image

    image

  • labloverlablover Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll review any alternate shots I may have tomorrow morning. Perhaps I just need to tweak the color balance. >>



    Hey Phil, has morning arrived yet?image
    "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." Will Rogers
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Phil,

    This coin was recently imaged in a trueview for my order. I did't remember this coin having tone.

    I receive the coin back today and the coin is virturly white. What could have happened to make a white coin look like this in an image?

    image >>

    Here you go. <jk>

    Lighting is the culprit. Fixes can be done with an editor.
    Lance.

    image
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Phil,

    I just now noticed that the "Max" size TrueView image is HuuuuuuuGE!

    The big Images were once in the 5 to 6 meg range, they are now double that and then some!!!!!

    What has changed??? Just higher resolution?....BTW, Im not complaining!! image

  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I just received my very first TrueViews, 8 sent in on the Quarterly $10 special. What I learned, is that the white coins do not need to be TrueView, but the toned ones look great with TrueView. If PCGS decided to keep the $10 price for TrueView, I would use it again --- but only for toned coins.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    I just got my MPL's back from Phil. They turned out really great and accurately show what my coins look like. Combining the new "prong" holders with the TrueView quarterly special was great for me and my enjoyment of my collection. They even posted my MPL's on Coin Facts. I love PCGS. Thanks Phil. Steveimage
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I sent off a couple of submissions today and asked for the CC Quarterly special for the trueviews....hopefully, they not it meets the "Must be postmarked by 3-31-12" image
    I spent the last 2 weeks going back and forth with what I wanted to send and ended up culling out a handful plus as I didn't think they would be worth grading as well.....but I did want to get them photo'ed.
    Oh well...maybe off to one of our other forum members soon.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sent off a package to PCGS postmarked today as well... requested that 3 of the coins be Trueviewed under the quarterly special... first quarterly special I'm using for a couple of years now and it's not even a free grading!!!!

  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I was told by PCGS Customer Service, that if I wanted TrueView, I needed to request TrueView for every coin in the submission. You hear differently?
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I was told by PCGS Customer Service, that if I wanted TrueView, I needed to request TrueView for every coin in the submission. You hear differently? >>



    I sent in an 8 coin grading order and requested that 3 of the coins be TrueViewed under the Quarterly Special. I saw nothing in the CC Quarter offer that required all coins on the order be Trueviewed... I know if you request variety attribution you don't have to pay for variety attribution on all coins in the order. Not sure why customer service would treat this any differently. We'll see what happens...


  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Please be sure to report back here, as to what happens, with your partial submission request for TrueView. I certainly would not, in the future, then request TrueView for white coins.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • Hi Everyone,
    I'm not sure if it's been posted yet, but it was announced today that TrueViews are now $10 each. Even for high value coins.

    Radiant Collection: Numismatics and Exonumia of the Atomic Age.
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/3232

  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Darn it. I just had a submission package mailed back to me yesterday. Had I known about the $10 TruViews.......
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hi Everyone,
    I'm not sure if it's been posted yet, but it was announced today that TrueViews are now $10 each. Even for high value coins. >>



    I still remember the days of $5, but this is most welcomed and excellent news! Thank you Phil, and PCGS! image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hi Everyone,
    I'm not sure if it's been posted yet, but it was announced today that TrueViews are now $10 each. Even for high value coins. >>




    Yes!!
    Just in time for my submission.

    Now I do the Happy Dance.

    image

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hi Everyone,
    I'm not sure if it's been posted yet, but it was announced today that TrueViews are now $10 each. Even for high value coins. >>


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