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A coin revisited! GTG TrueView inside! 1899-O Morgan (Amateur hour) Grade revealed! :-)
devious
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Last year, I purchased a Morgan Dollar in a SEGS slab. It was graded "MS66DMPL" on the slab. You can view the thread here...
The coin was submitted to PCGS for grading and TrueView imaging. Feel free to guess the grade. I'll reveal the grade tonight!
Edited for correction. 66DMPL not 65DMPL. I did not review the thread, but had originally thought it was a 65DMPL. Lance is correct, it was a MS66DMPL on the SEGS slab.
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I am home now and wanted to update this thread.
This coin was victim to coin doctoring. The coin graded Genuine 94 - Altered surfaces. The coin did have fields that could read to about 12+ inches when it was cracked out of the slab. As it was photographed (the aforementioned TrueView in the OP), it was capable. I hadn't handled any DMPL's except one example I sold to a board member a while back. If you look on the reverse in the TrueView, you can detect what is also known as puttying directly to the right of the eagle's wing and even directly above the eagle and even toward the southwest quadrant. At the time I acquired the coin and talked about it on the forum, I had no idea that puttying was much of a concern. It wasn't something I searched for in the forum search engine. But after having learned about it, I cracked the coin out of the PCGS Genuine holder, dipped it, and resubmitted it and it DID grade and looks drastically different than it did in the initial TrueView. It graded MS64PL.
I have never been really big on paying attention to doctored coins, but having had one in my possession and having sent it to PCGS for holdering and it coming back Altered surfaces really alarmed me to being a tad bit more careful when buying coins, even in slabs. I know some people say SEGS coins are awesome, and others third world... And this was my first and likely last SEGS slabbed coin I will ever purchase.
PCGS got it right the first time and it taught me something. Something that's coming up more frequently these days (at least in discussion on these forums). Putty! It was a great example to learn from and I now *get* yet another tuition out of my money spent on the initial coin in the SEGS slab.
The ORIGINAL certificate number for those who may want to view the larger trueview or look up and confirm what I just stated is 20105589
Thanks for playing and have a great week everyone!
The coin was submitted to PCGS for grading and TrueView imaging. Feel free to guess the grade. I'll reveal the grade tonight!
Edited for correction. 66DMPL not 65DMPL. I did not review the thread, but had originally thought it was a 65DMPL. Lance is correct, it was a MS66DMPL on the SEGS slab.
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I am home now and wanted to update this thread.
This coin was victim to coin doctoring. The coin graded Genuine 94 - Altered surfaces. The coin did have fields that could read to about 12+ inches when it was cracked out of the slab. As it was photographed (the aforementioned TrueView in the OP), it was capable. I hadn't handled any DMPL's except one example I sold to a board member a while back. If you look on the reverse in the TrueView, you can detect what is also known as puttying directly to the right of the eagle's wing and even directly above the eagle and even toward the southwest quadrant. At the time I acquired the coin and talked about it on the forum, I had no idea that puttying was much of a concern. It wasn't something I searched for in the forum search engine. But after having learned about it, I cracked the coin out of the PCGS Genuine holder, dipped it, and resubmitted it and it DID grade and looks drastically different than it did in the initial TrueView. It graded MS64PL.
I have never been really big on paying attention to doctored coins, but having had one in my possession and having sent it to PCGS for holdering and it coming back Altered surfaces really alarmed me to being a tad bit more careful when buying coins, even in slabs. I know some people say SEGS coins are awesome, and others third world... And this was my first and likely last SEGS slabbed coin I will ever purchase.
PCGS got it right the first time and it taught me something. Something that's coming up more frequently these days (at least in discussion on these forums). Putty! It was a great example to learn from and I now *get* yet another tuition out of my money spent on the initial coin in the SEGS slab.
The ORIGINAL certificate number for those who may want to view the larger trueview or look up and confirm what I just stated is 20105589
Thanks for playing and have a great week everyone!
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I'll guess PCGS graded it 65DMPL.
Lance.
65 non-pl
pcgs calls them 65 but they are really 64
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I don't know - the coin looks really nice to me, but I don't see the DMPL parts.
I will just guess MS66.
JJacks
A term used to describe a coin that has some mirror-like surface mixed with satin or frosty luster. Reflectivity is obscured on such a specimen, unlike the reflectivity on prooflike and deep mirror prooflike coins.
I'm in for 64+ PL
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Interesting, I thought people only puttied gold.
Altered surfaces can be from filler like putty, but also from chemicals or heat. For this coin putty may be right. But I can't really see it in the trueview.
Lance.
<< <i>I would like to see images of the conserved coin.
Altered surfaces can be from filler like putty, but also from chemicals or heat. For this coin putty may be right. But I can't really see it in the trueview.
Lance. >>
Perhaps some sort of chemical that gave it its reflective qualities since the OP said it had 12+ in mirrors and after a dip it only went PL. Sure the dip ruins mirrors but I don't think the dip will cause hazing of the mirrors that quickly nor strip off 8+ inches of mirrors.