Firstest Strike, Firstest Milk Spots... ASE $1 Die Trial Adjustment Strike

Broadstruck · July 13, 2012 9:02AM

A Die Trial Adjustment Strike is a planchet used by the press operator to adjust the proper press striking pressure prior to doing a production run.

The rims are not fully formed and non reeded.

lasvegasteddy · July 13, 2012 9:03AM

you sure do run across some interesting examples
this would be a fun guess the grade
did you acquire this or in process of acquisition ?

Broadstruck · July 13, 2012 9:11AM

<< you sure do run across some interesting examples
this would be a fun guess the grade
did you acquire this or in process of acquisition ? >>

Thanks you can Guess The Grade if you like

I've owned it for 5,6, or 7 years... Can't remember

lasvegasteddy · July 13, 2012 9:14AM

pr60...

talk about flat chested...dang this would cheer alot of my ex's up

Broadstruck · July 13, 2012 9:38AM

<< pr60...

talk about flat chested...dang this would cheer alot of my ex's up >>

It's a business strike...

The areas of the planchet that have insufficient striking pressure are fully mirrored and picking up the black from my camera and lens bodies.

Broadstruck · July 13, 2012 9:42AM

<< talk about flat chested...dang this would cheer alot of my ex's up >>

I don't even dare to comment on that

erickso1 · July 13, 2012 9:44AM

So we are talking 2005 ish or prior? Very neat coin.

Are the scuffs on the slab or the coin?

Broadstruck · July 13, 2012 9:53AM

<< So we are talking 2005 ish or prior? Very neat coin.

Are the scuffs on the slab or the coin? >>

You can see the base of a 1 and 3 rounds... So it could be 1986, 1988, 1990, 1996, 1998.

The holder has some scuffs and scratches and there are some stray hairlines on the $1.

TWQG · July 13, 2012 11:27AM

I vote 1996. Cool piece.

coinsarefun · July 13, 2012 11:36AM

It's damaged, please send it to me for proper disposal

errormaven · July 13, 2012 10:40PM

Die adjustment strikes are indistinguishable from weak strikes that arise spontaneously from a myriad of causes. Therefore, unless you were there when the coin was struck, it is impossible to declare a coin a die adjustment strike.

19Lyds · July 13, 2012 11:50PM

<< Die adjustment strikes are indistinguishable from weak strikes that arise spontaneously from a myriad of causes. Therefore, unless you were there when the coin was struck, it is impossible to declare a coin a die adjustment strike. >>

I think you'll need to expound upon this answer Mike. He did say it lacked reeding. What would cause that condition?

errormaven · July 14, 2012 12:18AM

Here's everything you need to know:

http://error-ref.com/Weak_StrikesInsufficientRamPressure.html

Broadstruck · July 14, 2012 12:25AM

<< 

<< Die adjustment strikes are indistinguishable from weak strikes that arise spontaneously from a myriad of causes. Therefore, unless you were there when the coin was struck, it is impossible to declare a coin a die adjustment strike. >>

I think you'll need to expound upon this answer Mike. He did say it lacked reeding. What would cause that condition? >>

I've owned other weak strike or majorly struck through ASE's so on this example we can agree to disagree.

There's absolutely no trace of reeding and the rim isn't fully formed as it isn't any different then a type II blank planchet upset rim.

errormaven · July 14, 2012 2:05AM

Any strike that's sufficiently weak will lack reeding. In those weak strikes in which a centered, weak first strike is immediately followed by a strong off-center strike, the weak strike lacks reeding.

As I said, a "die adjustment strike" is indistinguishable from a weak strike that results from spontaneous equipment malfunction. Calling any weakly-struck coin a "die adjustment strike", "die trial", "set-up piece" or "trial strike" is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Here's another article I wrote about this myth:

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/die-adjustment-strike-remains-a-persistent-pe/

Broadstruck · July 14, 2012 4:22AM

<< Any strike that's sufficiently weak will lack reeding. In those weak strikes in which a centered, weak first strike is immediately followed by a strong off-center strike, the weak strike lacks reeding.

As I said, a "die adjustment strike" is indistinguishable from a weak strike that results from spontaneous equipment malfunction. Calling any weakly-struck coin a "die adjustment strike", "die trial", "set-up piece" or "trial strike" is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Here's another article I wrote about this myth:

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/die-adjustment-strike-remains-a-persistent-pe/ >>

errormaven, So your saying that all the Morgan & Peace $1's attributed as Die Trial or Adjustment Strike by PCGS/NGC which have been either sold by error dealers or at public auction for between $10-25K are nothing more then weak strikes

morgansforever · July 14, 2012 6:00AM

How do you obtain these? How do they make it into a roll?
Apparently you have better connections than most, neat piece.

errormaven · July 14, 2012 6:01AM

<< 

<< Any strike that's sufficiently weak will lack reeding. In those weak strikes in which a centered, weak first strike is immediately followed by a strong off-center strike, the weak strike lacks reeding.

As I said, a "die adjustment strike" is indistinguishable from a weak strike that results from spontaneous equipment malfunction. Calling any weakly-struck coin a "die adjustment strike", "die trial", "set-up piece" or "trial strike" is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Here's another article I wrote about this myth:

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/die-adjustment-strike-remains-a-persistent-pe/ >>

errormaven, So your saying that all the Morgan & Peace $1's attributed as Die Trial or Adjustment Strike by PCGS/NGC which have been either sold by error dealers or at public auction for between $10-25K are nothing more then weak strikes

>>

That is essentially what I'm saying. While the odd specimen may actually be an escapee from a test run, there's no way to tell. So one can only apply the non-specific diagnosis "weak strike".

The notion that all extremely weak strikes in the marketplace were die adjustment strikes was nothing more than an entrenched idea that evolved from feeble and incomplete evidence. That evidence consisted of unreliable testimony from a few mint employees and the undeniable fact that die adjustment strikes were produced inside the Mint. It's highly unlikely that many of these escaped the furnace, however. The physical evidence cited in the two articles I linked to strongly indicates that the vast majority of extremely weak strikes that make it into the marketplace are simply the product of spontaneous equipment malfunction.

As to why the grading services persist in using "die adjustment strike" and similar terms, well, you'd have to ask them. I try not to speculate about motive and mindset.

astrorat · July 14, 2012 8:02AM

There is no difference between a die adjustment strike (where insufficient pressure from both dies strike the planchet) and an extremely weak strike (where insufficient pressure from both dies strike the planchet). The difference between the two is intent which cannot be discerned on the coin.

It's just that "die adjustment" is far more sexy than "weak strike." The rarity and value remains the same.

MedalCollector · July 14, 2012 8:25AM

When I sell something like this, ungraded, I use both die adjustment strike and weak strike in my title. I know that just labeling it weak strike will not bring the attention. I feel like a lot of people already associate this error as a die adjustment strike so I think its just easier to use both terms.

stealer · July 14, 2012 8:53AM

How does something like this slip out of the mint??

MFH · July 14, 2012 9:26AM

I wonder what the other error experts have to say on this matter.

Fred Weinberg ? Mike Byers ? - Are you listening ?

Andy Lustig ? - What are your thoughts ?

Firstest Strike, Firstest Milk Spots... ASE $1 Die Trial Adjustment Strike

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