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Help With Proof Lincoln Cent Error

Recently purchased a 1983 S Proof Lincoln Cent graded by PCGS as being PR69RD DCAM. Inspected it and found that it was a mint error as the. However the coin has doubling in "In God We Trust." Normally I've come to know proofs as "mistake free" but am suprised that such strong doubling exists on this coin and that it has already been graded by PCGS with no annotation of such error and if it is a defect that the coin was not penalized for it. Anyone know anything about this error as I have never seen it before. Would it add to the value or does it need to be re certified by PCGS.

Would gladly appreciate any advise or knowledge on the topic. Thank you.

John
"Dreams begin Responsibilities"

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image to class! WoW! How dramatic. I for one have not seen such an error for that particular year and proof. Maybe someone else can help? Pretty cool!image

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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    IMHO it appears to be machine doubling, that would not affect the grade and would not carry any sort of premium. Machine (or strike, or mechanical) doubling all are the same thing and are essentially a side effect of the striking process and unlike a true Doubled Die do not carry any premium.

    I could be mistaken; but am pretty confident that it's not a Doubled Die.
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't do die varieties, so I'm not sure if
    it's a known Doubled Die (doubtful); in all
    probability, it's a very common effect seen
    on both circulation and Proof coins -

    It's called Ejection/Machine/Mechanical/Shelf Doubling -

    It's caused by the dies impacting the planchet when
    striking, and there's a very slight 'bounce' that can
    affect the image as the die rises. It takes place in
    a split-second, and it is not considered an error on
    the coin - more like an anomaly.

    It doesn't add any value to the coin, and it won't
    penalize the grade whatsoever.....

    Hope this helps a bit....
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I too thought It might have been MD.but the photo is a bit fuzzy.

    "Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!

    --- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.


  • << <i>image

    IMHO it appears to be machine doubling, that would not affect the grade and would not carry any sort of premium. Machine (or strike, or mechanical) doubling all are the same thing and are essentially a side effect of the striking process and unlike a true Doubled Die do not carry any premium.

    I could be mistaken; but am pretty confident that it's not a Doubled Die. >>



    +1
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just clicked the link in the OP (didn't do it the first time)
    and it's not a DD coin - boy, if it were, it would have
    been darn impressive!


    Fred

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    image
    Becky
  • Thank you to everyone for your input. I figured that the error was caused by machine but being a novice to error coin concepts figured it better to tap the well to learn. While not a value adding trait I gotta admit the abnormality makes it a little more special. Also found a similar error on an 87 s proof graded the same. A little on the front but the entire back is blatantly machine doubled.

    Again thank you,

    "Dreams begin Responsibilities"

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