Modern Grades In.............. (Updated with the latest results.)
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Raw Submissions (Quite Pleased)
All the above were authenticated, attributed, and purchased from James Wiles except for the 1989-D RPM. Caleb Clough and his Dad made that available to me for a very reasonable price after I'd lost the bidding on one on the Bay. The grade was a nice surprise since the coin was still in the US Mint Set cello.
Crossovers (Quite Pleased)
The top three Kennedy's I had purchased two or three years back and had always hesitated to send them in. After watching "Risky Business" for the umpteenth time, I adopted the "Sometimes you just gotta say.........." attitude and included them on the submission.
The Type 2 was an eBay purchase for $49.99. I guess folks have stopped buying the coin?
The 71-S DDO I had purchased from Gene Bruder back in 2009. It went in for the same reason as the Kennedy's as was that Wide AM Zincoln
The 77-D DDO was a BIN on eBay which I simply could not resist. I'd have been pleased with MS60-MS62 as MS Grades for these can quite be challenging.
Re-Grade (MS66 Luster) (A Little Disappointed)
This IKE has all the luster needed for the MS66 Grade and I'm surprised it didn;t make the cut.
In Holder Variety Attribution (Quite Pleased)
The Washington DDO was a Tiesday Night Teletrade win for $40.72 total. Surprise - Surprise!
The 71-S DDO IKE was pinched off of Teletrade for $37.67 total.
The 1971-D IKE's were accumulated in 2006 while the variety was being researched. Too bad PCGS didn't assign assign this variety it's own coin number instead of falling back on the CPG.
The 70-S Kennedy was purchased off a fella on the Coin Talk forums. Paid $100 even though it was not in the CPG. The doubling is superb.
All the above were authenticated, attributed, and purchased from James Wiles except for the 1989-D RPM. Caleb Clough and his Dad made that available to me for a very reasonable price after I'd lost the bidding on one on the Bay. The grade was a nice surprise since the coin was still in the US Mint Set cello.
Crossovers (Quite Pleased)
The top three Kennedy's I had purchased two or three years back and had always hesitated to send them in. After watching "Risky Business" for the umpteenth time, I adopted the "Sometimes you just gotta say.........." attitude and included them on the submission.
The Type 2 was an eBay purchase for $49.99. I guess folks have stopped buying the coin?
The 71-S DDO I had purchased from Gene Bruder back in 2009. It went in for the same reason as the Kennedy's as was that Wide AM Zincoln
The 77-D DDO was a BIN on eBay which I simply could not resist. I'd have been pleased with MS60-MS62 as MS Grades for these can quite be challenging.
Re-Grade (MS66 Luster) (A Little Disappointed)
This IKE has all the luster needed for the MS66 Grade and I'm surprised it didn;t make the cut.
In Holder Variety Attribution (Quite Pleased)
The Washington DDO was a Tiesday Night Teletrade win for $40.72 total. Surprise - Surprise!
The 71-S DDO IKE was pinched off of Teletrade for $37.67 total.
The 1971-D IKE's were accumulated in 2006 while the variety was being researched. Too bad PCGS didn't assign assign this variety it's own coin number instead of falling back on the CPG.
The 70-S Kennedy was purchased off a fella on the Coin Talk forums. Paid $100 even though it was not in the CPG. The doubling is superb.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
The name is LEE!
The name is LEE!
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nice selection of coins you got there and a good eye to see em all
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<< <i>Very nice,but it demonstrates what I've always believed. They have a very negative view of the graders across the street.I won't send in for cross anymore. >>
Not sure how this applies to the current thread. >>
"Modern grades in..." I looked at the modern crossed grades,and commented on them.
<< <i>Very nice,but it demonstrates what I've always believed. They have a very negative view of the graders across the street.I won't send in for cross anymore. >>
4 ANACS, 1 ICG, 3 NGC in that list and you make THAT conclusion? Really?
The biggest thing to think of is that a grader doing a crossover is more likely to be careful about something he "may" see in the holder....the plastic can hide things and if something is expected, it isn't going to cross or it may be lower than one would have thought.
I never knew ANACS and ICG were "graders across the street"
Also, people have been known to crack and send in PCGS coins only to find that they don't get the same grades every time......grading is subjective and different folks look for different things.
Majority of my coins are in PCGS and I only submit to PCGS, however, I don't believe in just trashing on other TPGSs (current ones) even when I disbelieve in them and their grades. Even for moderns.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Nice score on the 1966 DDO-025 and 1989-D/D RPM-001, those are going to be hard grades to beat or match. I wouldn't be surprised if those two were added next time around in the Cherrypickers' guide. But what do I know
You know a LOT more than I really want to believe if that makes any sense!
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<< <i>Very nice,but it demonstrates what I've always believed. They have a very negative view of the graders across the street.I won't send in for cross anymore. >>
4 ANACS, 1 ICG, 3 NGC in that list and you make THAT conclusion? Really?
The biggest thing to think of is that a grader doing a crossover is more likely to be careful about something he "may" see in the holder....the plastic can hide things and if something is expected, it isn't going to cross or it may be lower than one would have thought.
I never knew ANACS and ICG were "graders across the street"
Also, people have been known to crack and send in PCGS coins only to find that they don't get the same grades every time......grading is subjective and different folks look for different things.
Majority of my coins are in PCGS and I only submit to PCGS, however, I don't believe in just trashing on other TPGSs (current ones) even when I disbelieve in them and their grades. Even for moderns. >>
All the coins were Cross at ANY grade. Given the fact that this was a "Risky Business" move, (watch the movie) I felt like there was no other option. They either crossed at grade (like most did) or they didn't (like some didn't).
The 71-S DDO Lincoln had a nasty carbon spot on LIBERTY. I knew it would not cross at grade but I only wanted it in PCGS Plastic. Sick registry maniac that I am!
The top three ANACS Kennedy's were bought off of Teletrade in hopes that they would cross at grade since the looked pretty good. I got all my "never cross in the slab" opinions totally trashed as I know from past experience that it doesn't always go the way you want for whatever reasons.
I've had coins graded as cleaned which when resubmitted after crack out came back at MS63. I've had coins crossed a grade lower than they were slabbed at (by the other guys) which I thought they would upgrade. Resubmitted after a cracked out, the coin came back with its original grade.
What I have NOT experienced, is a crossover coming back upgraded by a point or two although I've seen first hand that this is a distinct possibility with the right coin. Not the right Slab mind you, but the right coin.
TPG's are certainly entitled to their professional opinions as they have way more experience in grading than I'll ever have.
However, when we disagree, they are wrong!
When we agree, they are right!
It's all about owning up to the fact that I either made a good decision to have the piece graded or I made a bad decision to have the piece graded.
For the above coins, the submission sat around since January of this year waiting for the money to submit.
It came, I submitted and we both agreed on the outcome.
This time that is!
I have one more submission sitting in limbo and am preparing a couple more. It's just a question of whether or not the pending sale of my First Born goes through!
Ignore me.
Please.
The name is LEE!
congrats
this looks hopeful on turn around times
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
BIG thanks to forum member Proofartoncircs for the two Type H's even though I had to file bankruptcy to obtain these two examples of a truly rare modern coin. (Due to attrition)
The 71-S DDR-005 came from Marconi coins in Sacto for $10. The doubling is fairly awesome and was a helluva cherrypick. The variety itself was first listed in the CONECA files sometime prior to April 2007 as thats when I bought the coin. John Wexler wrote about it in his June 20th, 2011 Coin World column and it was listed in the CPG in the latest edition. So far, its the only one graded and I know of the existence of at least 2 others. The one submitted to CONECA and the one submitted to John Wexler.
The second 1971-S was submitted as a LDS DDO FS-106. PCGS does not like LDS IKE DDO's. I'll get a second opinion on this one though as I'm probably wrong. There are a TON of IKE DDO and DDR Proofs out there folks. This happens to be one of the more significant variations.
The third 1971-S is a mystery as to why I submitted it. Maybe it's "The Night Crawler"?
The 1966 DDO-020 was purchased, I think, from James Wiles. I have another one in SP65CAM.
The 1964-D RPM was purchased from Gene Bruder at the Santa Clara Coin Show. He had it marked as an RPM and I paid RPM money for it. I was surprised when it got listed in the CPG but since Ken Potter has assumed the editorial duties for the CPG, I expect more and more different varieties to show up. (WTG Ken!
The 1964 Accented Hair is definitely a QDR coin. It's just not THE QDR coin outlined in the CPG. My Bad!
The 1972 Kennedy was purchased off eBay in open bidding. I was surprised to walk out after only lightening my pocket by $51. These are not that easy to find in MS.
Lastly, the 1970-S Kennedy was purchased from James Wiles and will go into my CALEB COMPETITIVE COLLECTION! Not that I have much of a chance against that young whippersnapper (
The name is LEE!
Those MS66 FEV's will bring you a couple of bucks
GrandAm
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>The 1964 Accented Hair is definitely a QDR coin. It's just not THE QDR coin outlined in the CPG. My Bad! >>
Are the designer's initials (FG) doubled? If so, you may want PCGS to take a second look at it for the FS-802.
If the (FG) is not doubled, the only other quadrupled reverse 1964 Accented hair Kennedy half is the DDR-017 but this also happens to be the DDO-033 .
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<< <i>The 1964 Accented Hair is definitely a QDR coin. It's just not THE QDR coin outlined in the CPG. My Bad! >>
Are the designer's initials (FG) doubled? If so, you may want PCGS to take a second look at it for the FS-802.
If the (FG) is not doubled, the only other quadrupled reverse 1964 Accented hair Kennedy half is the DDR-017 but this also happens to be the DDO-033 . >>
I don;t believe that the initials are doubled. I'll have to look more closely when it comes home.
The name is LEE!
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