Once A Coin Doctor... Always A Coin Doctor?

Broadstruck · July 9, 2012 1:53AM

Any collector that's been around the block a few times should be able to walk onto any major show brouse and know who most of the coin doctoring dealers are... Especially as gossip spreads in this hobby faster then the speed of light. A good amount of the older known doctors that primarily practiced their craft on raw coinage thanks to third party grading have gone legit. So my question is even if these dealers change their ways are they branded for life?

TwoKopeiki · July 9, 2012 1:58AM

I think the brand for life fits because coin doctoring indicates certain mentality with regards to coins. Because they're not doing it currently does not mean they no longer feel that there's nothing wrong with the practice in the first place.

Broadstruck · July 9, 2012 2:02AM

<< I think the brand for life fits because coin doctoring indicates certain mentality with regards to coins. Because they're not doing it currently does not mean they no longer feel that there's nothing wrong with the practice in the first place. >>

TwoKopeiki, That's a really great response!

WaterSport · July 9, 2012 2:19AM

Strange, you just made me realize something. When I go to a show, and look for Lincoln's, I come upon a half dozen dealers who more or less specialize in them and when you see all that shinny copper, you take a close look, and then, I see they have all been messed with!. Geez, Why I have not even written down their names to warn the rest of you folks is beyond me, but at the next Long Beach show, you will have a list. Other traits include the fact they sell few if and TPG coins, and damn near every cent is messed with and mostly look the same from using what ever cleaning process they use.

WS

crypto79 · July 9, 2012 2:34AM

If I had gone all the way through Coin Medical School I would expect people to refer to me as Dr.

CEOcoinshopcom · July 9, 2012 2:35AM

I think some coins can be "helped"... others are just plain messed with.
Dealers that help bring back coins from the grave, have saved quite a few coins.
Others, that are just moving them up the grade scale, and sucker punching novice collectors..... belong in the stocks.
Most veterans know who's who... the new folks have arrived at school.
If they find a good mentor, they can avoid some of the OJT that has cost us all some money.

One more thought, I know some dealers, that HONESTLY can't tell the difference with some of their inventory.... they also can't grade above 65+....

LindeDad · July 9, 2012 3:42AM

Aren't we supposed to forgive and forget?

19Lyds · July 9, 2012 4:26AM

<< Aren't we supposed to forgive and forget?

>>

The MOB never forgets and never forgives.

Zoins · July 9, 2012 4:37AM

<< Aren't we supposed to forgive and forget?

>>

Isn't this what happens when the ANA selects a coin doctor to teach classes?

jesbroken · July 9, 2012 5:13AM

Unless they have atoned for the damage done to the industry and the collectors, no forgiving.
Jim

DoubleEagle59 · July 9, 2012 6:10AM

<< Unless they have atoned for the damage done to the industry and the collectors, no forgiving.
Jim >>

Shouldn't you have said "retoned" instead of "atoned".

lasvegasteddy · July 9, 2012 6:15AM

ah to the crusaders and witch hunts

yellowkid · July 9, 2012 6:49AM

I would be leery of anyone who had systematically compromised their integrity.

Justlooking · July 9, 2012 6:55AM

Lillian Gish was an all-time great. Didn't know she was a doctor ...

Connecticoin · July 9, 2012 7:40AM

Perhaps many of those who supposedly "went legit" simply honed their craft to fool the TPGs, especially in the "pre-sniffer" days.

JCB1983 · July 9, 2012 7:58AM

hmm

mommam17 · July 9, 2012 8:46AM

I agree with yellowkid. That says it for me.

Edscoin · July 9, 2012 12:43PM

<< ah to the crusaders and witch hunts

>>

Who cares, I just want to go on a Witch Hunt!

streeter · July 9, 2012 1:43PM

.

Old habits die hard.

roadrunner · July 10, 2012 12:23AM

There must be forgiveness since so many of them have found their way to becoming members of key numismatic organizations.

What I can never forget or forgive are those dealers from the 1970-1986 era that made it a practice to sell grossly overgraded crap to collectors.
You can't remove the title of thief without some type of atonement. And from what I've seen, very few of those guys had made up for their past transgressions.

TURBO · July 10, 2012 1:37AM

<< Strange, you just made me realize something. When I go to a show, and look for Lincoln's, I come upon a half dozen dealers who more or less specialize in them and when you see all that shinny copper, you take a close look, and then, I see they have all been messed with!. Geez, >>

Why I have not even written down their names to warn the rest of you folks is beyond me, but at the next Long Beach show, you will have a list. Other traits include the fact they sell few if and TPG coins, and damn near every cent is messed with and mostly look the same from using what ever cleaning process they use.

WS >>

The fact that you supply no list shows that just maybe you support the practice......NO?

Broadstruck · July 10, 2012 1:50AM

<< The fact that you supply no list shows that just maybe you support the practice......NO? >>

You can not out folks just cause you speculate they putz around with coins as such accusations could jeopardize their livelihood.

All you can do is opt not to do business with them.

RevDrBlimber · July 10, 2012 1:51AM

Coin doctors are engaging in fraud. Are they reformable? They are master evaders of responsibility for their actions. Have you ever taken a coin doctor to accountability with the ANA, their mediation committee for example? I have. If more of us were willing to get these people addressed by law enforcement, such as it exists to deal with these people, we may have a period of less of "business as usual" with regard to the fraudsters.

pharmer · July 10, 2012 10:45AM

<< 

<< The fact that you supply no list shows that just maybe you support the practice......NO? >>

You can not out folks just cause you speculate they putz around with coins as such accusations could jeopardize their livelihood.

All you can do is opt not to do business with them. >>

So what's the point of this thread? Why did you bother creating it? This post directly contradicts your own original post.

Unless of course you were referring to a man of, say, coins or a truth teller?

Once A Coin Doctor... Always A Coin Doctor?

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