Would you like to see a Colonial Coin Forum set up alongside these boards?

ambro51 · July 9, 2012 1:30AM

I think there is a core group here composed of every level of Colonial Coin enthusiast. We have literally, the Worlds Greatest Experts here, we have advanced collectors, we have a lot of casual collectors who are interested in learning more. The PROBLEM is the sheer speed at which the US Coin forum can bury a specialist thread by four pages! A lot of threads of interest to the Colonial buffs..not all of whom are Internet junkies...these threads whiz by. ~~~~~~~look, there's a few dead air forums already set up here, one could be "renamed, it's that simple, we'll do the REST....would YOU be in favor or creating the "Colonial Coin Forum"? ~~~~~ I'm sure we would welcome an opinion from Mr. Willis if he would care to comment. PS I'd set up. "Poll" for this but do not know how. If someone would like to do that, the results would be interesting

Ahrensdad · July 9, 2012 1:38AM

I would prefer that those coins/discussions happen here. First I think that the subset of devoted colonial collectors would be small enough to limit discussion and therefore use of a specific board--that is just my sense, I obviously don't know for certain. More important to me is when those discussions happen here those of us that don't collect or specialize colonials get exposed to new and cool areas of the hobby. I also have to think that members of the USCF that would otherwise not spend time of a colonial specific forum would have plenty to contribute.

Ahrensdad · July 9, 2012 1:41AM

I see what you're saying about things moving fast on the USCF so as to bury specialist threads. I don't have a solution to that other than well placed bumps.

Shamika · July 9, 2012 1:44AM

Absolutely agree! I don't collect Colonials (at least not yet), but I very much enjoy reading about them and would certainly frequent such a forum.

mingot · July 9, 2012 1:47AM

IMO one of the best things about this forum is the fact that there are really very few active forums, but those that are tend to be very active (yes, I know there are a ghost town forums here when it comes to stamps, etc, I am just talking about the US coin forums). Once you start going crazy with categorizing and creating subforums you can actually harm the forum. It is a very fine line between having forums that are too infrequently posted to and having a mega forum that moves too quickly for "fringe" topics to get any traction. Given the fact that colonial topics still do get some traction here makes me think they're better served by staying here as opposed to being in a subforum that will likely have a much smaller readership.

rhedden · July 9, 2012 1:50AM

A separate forum about colonials would be a great way to ensure that people who don't usually collect colonials won't look at your threads.

braddick · July 9, 2012 1:51AM

No, but thank you.

messydesk · July 9, 2012 1:55AM

The problem with fragmenting a forum into multiple forums is that it becomes more work to follow all the resulting forums. If colonials are split into a colonial forum, it will inevitably fall off the radar of people who pretty much live on the US Coin forum, and, as Ahrensdad said, some interesting stuff would be missed by a lot of people.

What I would like to see is an upgrade of the forum software so that the advanced search doesn't fail on every browser except IE (does it even work on IE 9?). If this is done, it might also be possible for a user to choose to aggregate postings to multiple forums into a single view, so that they're always "visiting" multiple forums at once. If this is possible, then creating a separate colonials forum would allow people only interested in either federal or colonial issues to filter out what they don't want. It would also allow people who want to mix them in a single view, while posting and replying to the appropriate one, to do so.

As for making a poll from this thread, if you edit the thread (i.e., your initial post), there should be a button to add a poll.

LindeDad · July 9, 2012 2:18AM

Don't we already have several dead zones on this site now?

TwoKopeiki · July 9, 2012 2:25AM

On one hand, this will just further dilute the traffic of the US Forum, which is in no way a good move. In an online world, traffic is the lifeblood that will easily make or break even the best looking forum designs / websites.

On the other hand, it would give me an opportunity to post more pieces of 8 from my collection without being tar and feathered for it

Neah, a bad idea overall.

DIMEMAN · July 9, 2012 2:37AM

When have you ever been tared and feathered for peices of 8 post?

I would rather see the Colonial threads stay here and ALL the bullion and mint stuff go to another forum. Don't need that stuff here at all.

Buzzybest · July 9, 2012 2:38AM

<< A separate forum about colonials would be a great way to ensure that people who don't usually collect colonials won't look at your threads. >>

I agree.

TomB · July 9, 2012 2:41AM

I would not be in favor of such a split. For one, I do not see the compelling need. Additionally, I believe if one goes to the NGC forum they will see that what might essentially be wrapped up into a single coin board has been split into eight boards and I think the participation in these eight boards is hurt by the fragmentation.

crypto79 · July 9, 2012 2:45AM

<< I would not be in favor of such a split. For one, I do not see the compelling need. Additionally, I believe if one goes to the NGC forum they will see that what might essentially be wrapped up into a single coin board has been split into eight boards and I think the participation in these eight boards is hurt by the fragmentation. >>

Agree with TomB completely. CoinTalk has also hurt its self this way

braddick · July 9, 2012 2:50AM

<< When have you ever been tared and feathered for peices of 8 post?

I would rather see the Colonial threads stay here and ALL the bullion and mint stuff go to another forum. Don't need that stuff here at all. >>

With that elitist attitude, I am grateful you don't run the forums.

DrBuster · July 9, 2012 2:56AM

See the stamp and autograph forums.

JamesMurray · July 9, 2012 2:57AM

<< 

<< When have you ever been tared and feathered for peices of 8 post?

I would rather see the Colonial threads stay here and ALL the bullion and mint stuff go to another forum. Don't need that stuff here at all. >>

With that elitist attitude, I am grateful you don't run the forums. >>

What's wrong with asking that bullion posts go to the PM forum where they belong ? I can't speak for the OP of the comment but by Mint products i would think he is talking about commemorative PM's or ASE/AGE bullion , all of which have their own forum.

braddick · July 9, 2012 3:12AM

^
Not all Mint Products are bullion related. . .

JamesMurray · July 9, 2012 3:14AM

<< ^
Not all Mint Products are bullion related. . . >>

I doubt very much Dimeman intimated purposely that US coinage be included.Looking at the board today there's how many bullion related threads on page 1 ?

Bochiman · July 9, 2012 3:17AM

As others have stated, I would not be in favor of the split.
I don't mind the colonial coins...they are US coins after all. I have a few, now, and that is thanks to the USCF and threads here. I would not have gone out of my way to look at a colonial coin only forum and I wouldn't learn much about them that way.

The USCF is like America....it is a melting pot. Many of us get better and more knowledgeable by being part of that melting pot and learning from others. Creating a colonial coin forum would be, to me, akin to creating a Chinatown, where you would go to get Chinese food or live if you were Chinese, rather than integrating and being part with others.

michiganboy · July 9, 2012 3:21AM

Nope I like it right here where I can read it, I usually only browse others sections when bored and think colonial belongs in U.S. coins.

MidLifeCrisis · July 9, 2012 3:49AM

Nah...just bump the colonial threads frequently!

lcoopie · July 9, 2012 4:45AM

I would like the unsearched rolls on ebay threads move somewhere

TwoSides2aCoin · July 9, 2012 4:55AM

<< Nah...just bump the colonial threads frequently! >>

The ones with pictures laced with historical facts are always a good read. Metal detecting stories are fascinating. There are as many facets to "numismatics", as there are to diamonds, and even more. Colonial coins are no exception. They're round metal orbs that are part of our history.

I like the colonial guys right here. The precious metal forum is okay too, but it was more fun with those guys here, also. How much splintering does it take to turn wood into sawdust ? That's my perspective on another forum. I would not have taken any interest in them if they weren't taught here by the gentlemen who stay the course.

Sonorandesertrat · July 9, 2012 4:56AM

<< Nah...just bump the colonial threads frequently! >>

DIMEMAN · July 9, 2012 4:58AM

Braddick - What's your problem??

There is a forum for bullion and I don't think bullion has any place on the U.S. Coin Forum.

Last year when the 25 anni ASE's came out the whole first page was consumed with that junk. I'm sure I am not the only Classic coin collector that has no use for that.

If that makes me an eletist ....... so be it!

braddick · July 9, 2012 6:27AM

<< Braddick - What's your problem??

There is a forum for bullion and I don't think bullion has any place on the U.S. Coin Forum.

Last year when the 25 anni ASE's came out the whole first page was consumed with that junk. I'm sure I am not the only Classic coin collector that has no use for that.

If that makes me an eletist ....... so be it! >>

Elitist (not, 'eletist', by the way) may have been too strong.

A collector snob probably is a bit more accurate.
Thanks for allowing me to make that (slight) correction as there is a distinction between the two.

DIMEMAN · July 9, 2012 6:34AM

I will be the first to admit that I am a bad speller.

I don't think that I am a snob collector. I'm not putting down collectors that collect bullion. I just wish they would use the bullion forum.

And again, I'm sure others feel the same way, but just won't say anything.

braddick · July 9, 2012 6:39AM

<< I will be the first to admit that I am a bad speller.

I don't think that I am a snob collector. I'm not putting down collectors that collect bullion. I just wish they would use the bullion forum.

And again, I'm sure others feel the same way, but just won't say anything. >>

Honestly, calling something "junk" that others collect is, in essence, putting them down.
Other than that I'll concede your comments rubbed me the wrong way and I was a bit hostile in my post.

I will add it is admirable that you speak your mind- an attribute not shared by all, and I do image others feel the same as you but without the wherewithal to state it
(or perhaps the good manners not to).

lcoopie · July 9, 2012 6:40AM

by bullion forum do you mean PM forum?

Zoins · July 9, 2012 6:40AM

I like having a mix of topics on this forum and think colonial US coins, classic US coins and modern US coins seem to co-exist quite well right now.

As for those that don't care for modern US coins, I counted 1 ASE thread and 1 Kennedy half thread on the first page right now which seem easy enough to avoid.

DIMEMAN · July 9, 2012 6:50AM

Yes, the PM forum is for bullion.

Right now there is only 1 bullion thread, but earlier there were 4. And the post fall off so fast on the U.S. Coin forum that it would just help a lot if the bullion were to stay on the PM forum.

I think the number of people who collect classic coins and bullion are very few and it is a good split to have the PM forum for those that do collect bullion.

TPRC · July 9, 2012 6:51AM

<< I would not be in favor of such a split. For one, I do not see the compelling need. Additionally, I believe if one goes to the NGC forum they will see that what might essentially be wrapped up into a single coin board has been split into eight boards and I think the participation in these eight boards is hurt by the fragmentation. >>

I love and collect colonials. However, although I am registered across the street, I rarely go there, mostly because it is too fragmented. I'm sure there are times when I would like to see a separate Forum, but I think that in the long run, we are better off keeping it as a single, or mostly single, forum.

ColonialCoinUnion · July 9, 2012 6:56AM

I don't think a separate forum is necessary, or advisable.

Also, colonial collectors and dealers have a wide variety of interests / specialities, so even if a dedicated forum were started I think it would only be a matter of weeks before the Connecticut Copper collectors revolted and wanted their own forum separate from those guys doing Kentucky Tokens by edge variety.

JamesMurray · July 9, 2012 7:09AM

<< Yes, the PM forum is for bullion.

Right now there is only 1 bullion thread, but earlier there were 4. And the post fall off so fast on the U.S. Coin forum that it would just help a lot if the bullion were to stay on the PM forum.

I think the number of people who collect classic coins and bullion are very few and it is a good split to have the PM forum for those that do collect bullion. >>

I counted 4 as well Dimeman while noticing nothing said at that point , rather it was brought up when a few slipped off page 1 and this is a slow day.As pointed out with the 25th anniversary silver amongst other issues the US coin forum is turned into a circus with the " oh look at me i managed to beat the system and get more than im entitled to" posts and the "see how much i flipped mine for" posts , it's not even as is its interesting and yet we find a dozen threads on the same topic every time.Pathetic really.

Zoins · July 9, 2012 7:16AM

<< Yes, the PM forum is for bullion. >>

This might be appropriate for classic coins that trade at or near bullion value but I don't think it's currently appropriate for NCLT which trades with substantial collector premiums like the ASE anniversary coins.

Since the ASE anniversary coins are US Coins and do not trade at bullion value, it appears the US coin forum is currently the appropriate place for that thread.

<< Right now there is only 1 bullion thread, but earlier there were 4. And the post fall off so fast on the U.S. Coin forum that it would just help a lot if the bullion were to stay on the PM forum. >>

I don't have a problem with 4 topics on the first page regarding coins that I don't collect. I think it adds to the variety which I like here. If 4 posts out of 20 is too much, have you tried participating on other slower or more narrowly-focused boards?

<< I think the number of people who collect classic coins and bullion are very few and it is a good split to have the PM forum for those that do collect bullion. >>

I don't read most of the modern NCLT US coin threads but I do appreciate having them here, along with colonials, classics, etc. We've had discussions on whether to split the forum into classic and modern coins before but the consensus appears to be to keep them together which I prefer.

Zoins · July 9, 2012 7:21AM

<< 

<< Yes, the PM forum is for bullion.

Right now there is only 1 bullion thread, but earlier there were 4. And the post fall off so fast on the U.S. Coin forum that it would just help a lot if the bullion were to stay on the PM forum.

I think the number of people who collect classic coins and bullion are very few and it is a good split to have the PM forum for those that do collect bullion. >>

I counted 4 as well Dimeman while noticing nothing said at that point , rather it was brought up when a few slipped off page 1 and this is a slow day.As pointed out with the 25th anniversary silver amongst other issues the US coin forum is turned into a circus with the " oh look at me i managed to beat the system and get more than im entitled to" posts and the "see how much i flipped mine for" posts , it's not even as is its interesting and yet we find a dozen threads on the same topic every time.Pathetic really. >>

I brought it up when I got around to the thread and I wasn't waiting for the number to drop. As mentioned above, I don't have a problem with 4 threads either, especially if they are US coin threads. I haven't even opened the 25th anniversary ASE thread but don't mind it being there. They are US coins. They are not traded for bullion value. If I want to read about US coins, I come here and it's available if I choose to read it.

Is it that hard to avoid 4 threads you aren't interested in?

JamesMurray · July 9, 2012 7:24AM

You keep saying ASE's are not bullion because they do not trade at bullion prices , it says $1 on them and they dont trade at that level either. They are bullion , not US coins , i don't understand the stubborness to just get over it lol

Lots of bullion trades at higher levels than bullion ordinarily does , an ASE isnt unique in that.

DrBuster · July 9, 2012 7:28AM

I think there's a twitter feed, #oldwhitemanproblems or something like that, where the complaining about collecting money rocks!

Zoins · July 9, 2012 7:31AM

<< You keep saying ASE's are not bullion because they do not trade at bullion prices , it says $1 on them and they dont trade at that level either. They are bullion , not US coins , i don't understand the stubborness to just get over it lol >>

You can keep saying ASEs are not US coins, but that won't make it true

I can understand if you don't appreciate having some US coins discussed on the US Coin Forum but you might be more successful if you made your argument differently. I'm not sure your personal definitions will hold sway when they aren't shared by the US Government and others.

For example, you might suggest changing the name of the "U.S. Coin Forum" to the "U.S. Classic CLT Coin Forum" or something like that to match your tastes.

JamesMurray · July 9, 2012 7:42AM

<< 

<< You keep saying ASE's are not bullion because they do not trade at bullion prices , it says $1 on them and they dont trade at that level either. They are bullion , not US coins , i don't understand the stubborness to just get over it lol >>

You can keep saying ASEs are not US coins, but that won't make it true

I can understand if you don't appreciate having some US coins discussed on the US Coin Forum but you might be more successful if you made your argument differently. I'm not sure your subjective definitions will hold sway when they aren't shared by the US Government and others.

For example, you might suggest changing the name of the "U.S. Coin Forum" to the "U.S. Classic CLT Coin Forum" or something like that to match your tastes. >>

I havnt asked for any change , merely agree that having a bullion forum (PM's) one would think that's where people would post such topics.But perhaps it's not as busy in there so it doesnt meet the "look at me , look at me" criteria that so often goes hand in hand with the flippers...oh..collectors is it ? And by the same token calling them coins doesnt make them coins , you can call the cherry pies for all i care , mine are bullion , nothing more and nothing less and hardly something to create a topic about.

okracer · July 9, 2012 7:43AM

I love and collect (some) Colonials. I kinda like the idea of a separate forum, but I feel it would end up limiting traffic to colonials. Also, I really like seeing the variety of topics here that I usually would not think to research.

vote: keep it as is.

Zoins · July 9, 2012 7:50AM

<< 

<< 

<< You keep saying ASE's are not bullion because they do not trade at bullion prices , it says $1 on them and they dont trade at that level either. They are bullion , not US coins , i don't understand the stubborness to just get over it lol >>

You can keep saying ASEs are not US coins, but that won't make it true

I can understand if you don't appreciate having some US coins discussed on the US Coin Forum but you might be more successful if you made your argument differently. I'm not sure your subjective definitions will hold sway when they aren't shared by the US Government and others.

For example, you might suggest changing the name of the "U.S. Coin Forum" to the "U.S. Classic CLT Coin Forum" or something like that to match your tastes. >>

I havnt asked for any change , merely agree that having a bullion forum (PM's) one would think that's where people would post such topics.But perhaps it's not as busy in there so it doesnt meet the "look at me , look at me" criteria that so often goes hand in hand with the flippers...oh..collectors is it ? And by the same token calling them coins doesnt make them coins , you can call the cherry pies for all i care , mine are bullion , nothing more and nothing less and hardly something to create a topic about. >>

I admit I don't understand the difficulty in avoiding 4 threads that aren't of interest. I find it pretty easy to avoid discussions / articles that I'm not intersted in here, on NYTimes.com, CNN.com, etc. I haven't opened the 25th Anniversary thread at all. Is there something compelling you to?

I think it's fine to discuss ASEs here. I also don't mind using PCGS and US Government definitions. If you wish to use your personal definitions, that's fine but don't expect others to necessarily agree.

Bochiman · July 9, 2012 8:00AM

<< Braddick - What's your problem??

There is a forum for bullion and I don't think bullion has any place on the U.S. Coin Forum.

Last year when the 25 anni ASE's came out the whole first page was consumed with that junk. I'm sure I am not the only Classic coin collector that has no use for that.

If that makes me an eletist ....... so be it! >>

But....but.....she is a beauty (sorry, not from the 25th annv set

)

Imho, these belong here more than HTT and some other things

If it was put out by the USMint, and has a denomination on it or was meant to be used in commerce, by the USMint, then, imho, it deserves to be on this board (this includes colonials which were put out by state governments)

JamesMurray · July 9, 2012 8:01AM

" If you wish to use your personal definitions, that's fine but don't expect others to necessarily agree. "

ditto zoins , very much ditto

You think it's fine so for you it's fine. Whats the point of a PM forum pray tell if everytime the US issues one the US Coin forum is flooded with nonsense ? It's comical , it really is , the American silver eagle is a coin ...what a hoot. Now , if you'll excuse me , i have paint to watch dry and paperclips to count , infinately more interesting than this current theme we're on.Let the Colonial guys have their thread back.

Zoins · July 9, 2012 8:09AM

<< " If you wish to use your personal definitions, that's fine but don't expect others to necessarily agree. "

ditto zoins , very much ditto

You think it's fine so for you it's fine. Whats the point of a PM forum pray tell if everytime the US issues one the US Coin forum is flooded with nonsense ? It's comical , it really is , the American silver eagle is a coin ...what a hoot. >>

Since I'm using PCGS and US Government definitions, I thought I'd point out that PCGS, our host, considers the ASE a coin. Regardless of what we individually feel, the ASE is considered a coin by the firm that runs these forums.

Link: PCGS Offers Special Labels for San Francisco Mint 75th Anniversary Coins

Regarding the PM forum, I think it's appropriate to post topics there based on the forum description:

<< Precious Metals
This is forum for the discussion of precious metals and how that relates to coin collecting. >>

Many discussions regarding ASEs here are not "discussions of precious metals and how that relates to coin collecting."

I think it's acceptable to discuss ASEs on the US Coin Forum based on PCGS describing ASEs as coins and the PM forum description saying it is for PM discussions, not necessarily NCLT discussions.

Your views don't appear to match the views of our host.

braddick · July 9, 2012 10:06AM

Zcoins, the voice of reason.
I too will pledge to use PCGS' own definition of what a coin is and thus what forum they fall under.

lcoopie · July 9, 2012 10:09AM

it continues to be a good idea to state your topic in the title of the thread so that those members can only open the threads that they like,
as was done here.

DIMEMAN · July 9, 2012 10:52AM

You can go on and on about how ASE's are coins. Even PCGS using the term "Coins" loosely...

BUT

They are NOT coins they ARE bullion! They are 1 oz of silver and nothing more. They are no more coins than those 1 oz rounds they use to make in the images of all the classic coins. ASE's stole there design from the Walking Liberty Half!

They are bullion and should be on the PM forum.

It's not a matter of don't open if you are not interested.......it's a matter of they take up space on the wrong form.

It's like posting a coin thread on the sports card forum!

michiganboy · July 9, 2012 11:07AM

I don't mind an ASE thread as long as it don't get out of control like the last anniversary set with half the thread about the same coins, that was kinda lame. This time around with only 2 or so threads for the two coin set was fine with me. I do not collect them though, but don't want to rain on the parade of those who do.

messydesk · July 9, 2012 11:08AM

ASEs are monetized at $1 each, so they are coins. NCLT, but coins, nevertheless. Some are collected as other coins would be, some are a means for buying bullion. There's a forum for each depending on the appropriate context for discussion. It would seem the forum that we're missing is the "Buying Mint Products To Flip For Obscene Profit™" forum, which would also cover the trials and tribulations of placing orders, receiving them, having to return them, submitting them, and waiting for grades on them. If we had this forum, the colonial threads in the U.S. Coin forum wouldn't drop like a rock.

Would you like to see a Colonial Coin Forum set up alongside these boards?

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