Bogus Bust Half on Ebay

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• TomB Posts: 22,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 4:32AM

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  Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography
  
  In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
  
  

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• michiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 4:35AM

  His coins look real to me, but I am by far an expert in bust halves.

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• harveypb Posts: 514 ✭

  July 8, 2012 4:38AM

  On the 1807 Capped Bust Half, (and the 1808) the eagle looks different than on later date pieces.

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• michiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 4:44AM

  The eagle does look different now that you mention it. Thats why I stick to what I know when I buy raw.

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• johnny9434 Posts: 29,292 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 5:39AM

  
  
  << <i>On the 1807 Capped Bust Half, (and the 1808) the eagle looks different than on later date pieces. >>
  
  it almost looks to new ( if that makes any sense )

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 5:52AM

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  i need some backup this time. my authentication skills seems a bit off today
  
  the stars and date look off on the >>>1807<<< cbh.
  
  
  
  >>>1821<<<
  
  
  
  >>>1823<<<
  
  
  
  the >>>1848<<< seated dollar looks bad to me.
  
  
  i'm going to go with "they are all Counterfeit" for 200 Alex
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• TallGuy Posts: 122 ✭✭

  July 8, 2012 5:57AM

  This coin is unquestionably not real, it is a reproduction or counterfeit. As others have noted, the eagle and the style of Liberty herself is not right for the 1807 date. Most of his other early US coins look to be suspect also. Probably all came from China!

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 6:02AM

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  i'm probably just being paranoid, but i really don't like these large cents either. darn scans must be throwing me off today
  
  1821 Coronet
  
  
  1823 Coronet
  
  
  1826 Coronet
  
  
  my God in heave, i think this is counterfeit also. horrible looking date
  1840 braided hair
  

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 6:19AM

  
  
  << <i>This half is bogus. Seller listed 2 more bust halves and I think they too are bogus.. >>
  
  
  
  good job bringing this to our attention. i've found many coins that are bad, including some that have sold.
  
  i've added them all to my database
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• denga Posts: 922 ✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 6:45AM

  
  
  << <i>This half is bogus. Seller listed 2 more bust halves and I think they too are bogus..
  
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1807-DRAPED-BUST-HALF-DOLLAR-13-STARS-FULL-LIBERTY-LOW-START-NO-RESERVE-/320940471311?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4ab98af40f >>
  
  
  
  The reverse die on the 1821 being sold looks suspiciously like the reverse die on the 1807. Just goes to “prove” how long dies lasted at the Philadelphia Mint!
  
  Good catch!

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• rec78 Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 7:52AM

  The suspect auctions have been pulled but how about this 1823 large cent???

  

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 8:42AM

  
  
  << <i>The suspect auctions have been pulled but how about this 1823 large cent??? >>
  
  
  
  good job questioning that cent. i have the link in one of my posts in this thread along with several others.
  
  i didn't link the images since i was unable to do so with a couple of the listings
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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 9:01AM

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  after seeing all the problems with the coins listed, i just reported all the USA coins.
  
  if the person is honest, let this be a lesson. if they are not, i hope they all get nuked.
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• Walkerguy21D Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 11:28AM

  Wow - scary stuff. Thanks for posting.
  
  What was the 'tell' on the 1823? I do not see the obv cud at 11 o'clock, that I think all genuine 1823 N2's should have....
  
  

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 11:49AM

  
  
  << <i>Wow - scary stuff. Thanks for posting.
  
  What was the 'tell' on the 1823? I do not see the obv cud at 11 o'clock, that I think all genuine 1823 N2's should have.... >>
  
  
  
  a very common trait amongst counterfeit coins is their "smooth dusty" surfaces. they are simply too nice
  
  from my experience a gold coin pre-1900 with no dings, bangs, luster breaks etc has a 85% chance of being counterfeit. our gold just got banged up.
  
  same applies to large cents and many other series. if it is too smooth to be true....
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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 11:55AM

  
  
  << <i>
  
  << <i>Wow - scary stuff. Thanks for posting.
  
  What was the 'tell' on the 1823? I do not see the obv cud at 11 o'clock, that I think all genuine 1823 N2's should have.... >>
  
  
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  to expand on some counterfeit detection diagnostics:
  
  many counterfeits have too shallow a relief. it is simply too expensive to create the relief our coins had, explaining all the cracks, cuds and die switching in our first 100 years of coinage.
  
  relief for coins costs 1 of 2 things and most times both:
  
  1. quantity (dies fail faster the higher the relief and less coins can be struck and/or exceed mint tolerances for quality)
  
  2. quality (the higher the relief, the less coins a die will strike before failing and exceeding mint standards)
  
  and last but not least, planchet quality/composition is not financially achievable for most of the simple-minded, lazy #$(*#*(%# counterfeiters, thank God !
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• mozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭

  July 8, 2012 3:00PM

  It is pretty hard to sell a bogus Capped Bust Half Dollar on Ebay. The serious collectors jump on it really fast.

  I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.

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