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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/14/politics/sports-betting-ncaa-supreme-court/index.html

Supreme Court lets states legalize sports gambling

Washington (CNN)The Supreme Court cleared the way on Monday for states to legalize sports betting, striking down a 1992 federal law that had prohibited most states from authorizing sports betting.

The 6-3 ruling is a victory for New Jersey and other states who have considered allowing sports gambling as a way to encourage tourism and tax revenue. The NCAA, NFL and NBA had backed the federal prohibition.

The court said the federal law violated constitutional principles limiting the federal government from controlling state policy, unconstitutionally forcing states to prohibit sports betting under their own laws.

"The legalization of sports gambling requires an important policy choice, but the choice is not ours to make," Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the 6-3 opinion. "Congress can regulate sports gambling directly, but if it elects not to do so, each state is free to act on its own."

Immediately after the ruling, the stock price for Caesars Entertainment rose 6%, and DraftKings said it will enter the sports betting market.

"Today's decision clears the way for all states to make their own decisions about legalizing sports betting, and in one fell swoop gets rid of Nevada's monopoly on the subject and the 1992 federal statute that had protected it," said Steve Vladeck, CNN Supreme Court analyst and professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law.

"The question now is whether Congress will leave the states to make their own choices or will now try to enact some kind of federal regulation of sports betting," Vladeck added.


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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,357 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For most people sports betting should be no different than poker rooms, Casinos or the track so I see no issue with it further destroying the lives than the other gambling venues that are in place already . For me personally I will never bet on an NFL game ever again, it is the most brutal mind crushing thing ever for me.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    For most people sports betting should be no different than poker rooms, Casinos or the track so I see no issue with it further destroying the lives than the other gambling venues that are in place already . For me personally I will never bet on an NFL game ever again, it is the most brutal mind crushing thing ever for me.

    I haven't read the ruling yet and what it contains, or any legal opinions on the ruling, such as if it basically implies that "online" gambling is now included in the legality such as online poker. We shall see.

    I'm sure that Pennsylvania will be one of the first states to enact it, and that will make businesses such as payday loan services and pawnshops very happy.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2018 11:07AM

    @stevek said:

    @perkdog said:
    For most people sports betting should be no different than poker rooms, Casinos or the track so I see no issue with it further destroying the lives than the other gambling venues that are in place already . For me personally I will never bet on an NFL game ever again, it is the most brutal mind crushing thing ever for me.

    I haven't read the ruling yet and what it contains, or any legal opinions on the ruling, such as if it basically implies that "online" gambling is now included in the legality such as online poker. We shall see.

    I'm sure that Pennsylvania will be one of the first states to enact it, and that will make businesses such as payday loan services and pawnshops very happy.

    It’s always been a little blurred as one could have been legally betting via app on horse racing for years. It just makes sure your physically in a state that it’s legal to do so. Actually it’s just your phone that needs to be physically in a legalized state while betting.

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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm just amazed SCOTUS even heard a 10th Amendment case. 9th/10th Amendment cases have typically been ignored by SCOTUS for many years. Employees of DoEd (and several other agencies) should be getting their resumes ready.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Should get interesting when the likes of Mark Cuban thow late season NBA gamrs to move up in the draft lottery.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:

    @stevek said:

    @perkdog said:
    For most people sports betting should be no different than poker rooms, Casinos or the track so I see no issue with it further destroying the lives than the other gambling venues that are in place already . For me personally I will never bet on an NFL game ever again, it is the most brutal mind crushing thing ever for me.

    I haven't read the ruling yet and what it contains, or any legal opinions on the ruling, such as if it basically implies that "online" gambling is now included in the legality such as online poker. We shall see.

    I'm sure that Pennsylvania will be one of the first states to enact it, and that will make businesses such as payday loan services and pawnshops very happy.

    It’s always been a little blurred as one could have been legally betting via app on horse racing for years. It just makes sure your physically in a state that it’s legal to do so. Actually it’s just your phone that needs to be physically in a legalized state while betting.

    m

    Well moving forward, since it's now resolved on a federal level, I guess it should mean that when say Pennsylvania irons out the rules and regulations and then enacts law, then Pennsylvania gambling businesses could offer it to citizens in any state. That is if "online" gambling has also become legal which I presume it probably has, but I'm still not sure yet.

    Pennsylvania may only offer it to citizens in other states whereby that state also has legalized gambling. They do that now on horse race wagering. But perhaps unless other states clarify their position and their individual legislatures ban sports betting outright in regards to this new SCOTUS action, then it could be offered to every state.

    Another interesting factor is how this will affect international gambling. Overall, the US has a reputation of basically being the finest country in the world when it comes to trustworthy products. So if a gambler in France doesn't fully trust the reputation of a particular gambling site in Europe or anywhere else, especially when it comes to online poker, or say is getting better odds from a US website, the gambler could simply place their bets and gamble on the US websites. Of course again, predicated on if "online" gambling has also been legalized.

    Also note that although this SCOTUS decision seems like a slam dunk, it's not entirely over yet. Congress could still propose a new bill and vote with new legislation to close this door again with a differently worded law. However in my opinion, i doubt that will happen, because too many over spending, money hungry states need the money too badly these days.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NFL owners rejoice. What a boon for the NFL.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    NFL owners rejoice. What a boon for the NFL.

    m

    Yea, they'll pretend that they don't like it, but we all know otherwise.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @Justacommeman said:
    NFL owners rejoice. What a boon for the NFL.

    m

    Yea, they'll pretend that they don't like it, but we all know otherwise.

    This is one of the reasons why the long term viability and growth of the NFL is impervious to things like TV ratings.



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  • BillyKingsleyBillyKingsley Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭✭

    If this is now legal and the leagues take part...does that mean that the lifetime ban (and then some) on Shoeless Joe Jackson will finally be repealed?

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @stevek said:

    @Justacommeman said:
    NFL owners rejoice. What a boon for the NFL.

    m

    Yea, they'll pretend that they don't like it, but we all know otherwise.

    This is one of the reasons why the long term viability and growth of the NFL is impervious to things like TV ratings.

    I've read where the NBA is planning to ask for 1% of the gambling revenue. The NFL I don't think has made any particular request yet similar to the NBA.

    Frankly, I don't see how or why any gambling site should have to pay the NBA or NFL to gamble on their games, unless I'm missing something here? I mean Las Vegas gambling sites right now, i don't think gives any sports league a share of its sports gambling revenue, and sports betting has been legal there for a long time.

    Maybe the leagues figure it can't hurt to ask for some money and see what happens.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillyKingsley said:
    If this is now legal and the leagues take part...does that mean that the lifetime ban (and then some) on Shoeless Joe Jackson will finally be repealed?

    The leagues rules about player gambling will not change at all.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Indian casinos? Will the battle over the Redskins name and logo by native activists prevent them from participating in this windfall?

    I don't think so.

  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    I've read where the NBA is planning to ask for 1% of the gambling revenue. The NFL I don't think has made any particular request yet similar to the NBA.

    1% of gross receipts, not revenue. That's about a 20% cut of revenue.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 9,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LarkinCollector said:

    @stevek said:
    I've read where the NBA is planning to ask for 1% of the gambling revenue. The NFL I don't think has made any particular request yet similar to the NBA.

    1% of gross receipts, not revenue. That's about a 20% cut of revenue.

    I've heard it called an integrity fee. They can go pound sand , if the leagues are getting a cut I'll bet with a bookie. Plus if you hit big are you going to pay taxes on it? Screw you uncle sam , stop legalizing my vices

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LarkinCollector said:

    @stevek said:
    I've read where the NBA is planning to ask for 1% of the gambling revenue. The NFL I don't think has made any particular request yet similar to the NBA.

    1% of gross receipts, not revenue. That's about a 20% cut of revenue.

    Well each state will have their own set of gambling laws, and I guess the leagues are probably already gearing up to lobby the state legislators to write something into their laws to that effect.

    Frankly, I don't see it happening. I don't think the leagues are going to get any of this gambling revenue directly from any state. The leagues will be satisfied with advertising revenue and other opportunities from the gambling sites. For example some league owner for the right amount of money may rename their stadium "Caesars Palace Park" or something like that.

    What might be interesting is if the teams are allowed to offer wagering right at the ballpark, like at the horse racetrack. Perhaps parimutuel wagering on whether or not the next batter will get a hit.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    What might be interesting is if the teams are allowed to offer wagering right at the ballpark, like at the horse racetrack. Perhaps parimutuel wagering on whether or not the next batter will get a hit.

    Can imagine Aaron Judge yelling up to the stands to have a buddy drop a twenty on a home run.

    What beautiful chaos this is going to be!

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pete Rose must be smiling.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2018 11:06AM

    The only think I don't like is that we can't count on our politicians to do the right thing with the tax revenue windfall. It will be spent foolishly like drunken sailors. I don't see the point in giving them more money when they can't properly manage the billions of taxpayer dollars they're already in charge of.

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:

    @stevek said:

    What might be interesting is if the teams are allowed to offer wagering right at the ballpark, like at the horse racetrack. Perhaps parimutuel wagering on whether or not the next batter will get a hit.

    Can imagine Aaron Judge yelling up to the stands to have a buddy drop a twenty on a home run.

    What beautiful chaos this is going to be!

    Maybe pointing to the outfield stands like the Babe once did will be the signal. LOL

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:
    Pete Rose must be smiling.

    Oh yea...some sports betting site will be paying Pete a lot of money to be their spokesman.

    There will be other retired sports stars being paid big money as well to tout various gambling sites.

  • dennis07dennis07 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭

    Aren't the gamblers (outside of Vegas) already placing bets on pro sports. Of course they are. Making it legal will just bring it out of the shadows. I can't see a large segment of the population running to engage in pro sports betting just because it will be legal to do so.

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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i can't help but think about golf with this ruling. galleries have become increasingly disruptive and disorderly over the years, and now things may turn borderline mutinous at times. even prior to yesterday there had been discussions centered around the consumption of adult beverages because there are countless inebriated asshats roaming around these courses.

    i can visualize it now. i turn on television coverage and the first thing i see is coinstartled mooning Tiger because he has some coin on Rory in a third-round head-to-head matchup.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 10,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2018 4:27PM

    Never understood the silenced crowds and whispering commentators in golf. Visiting major league baseball player is trying to hit a 102 MPH fastball on a 3-2 count with 48,000 fans screaming for a strike out.

    Tiger Woods just has to connect to a teed ball that ain't moving at all.

    I'll see if I can pull up the famous "not during my backswing" clip.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2018 6:41PM

    @galaxy27 said:
    i can't help but think about golf with this ruling. galleries have become increasingly disruptive and disorderly over the years, and now things may turn borderline mutinous at times. even prior to yesterday there had been discussions centered around the consumption of adult beverages because there are countless inebriated asshats roaming around these courses.

    i can visualize it now. i turn on television coverage and the first thing i see is coinstartled mooning Tiger because he has some coin on Rory in a third-round head-to-head matchup.

    I was admonished twice at the Ryder Cup in 1998 at Brookline on Sunday. Once for for moving ever so slightly off the green. My shadow was a problem. Also for heckling Colin Montgomery in the woods as he started falling apart. He sicked a Marshall on me but I was like a ninja and escaped in time to make it to the 17th green and the rest is history. Colin was beat red. I sat across from him on a plane a few years later and I swear he gave me the stink eye the entire flight. I thought he was going to have the air marshall toss my from the flight. Mid air.

    You want loud and unruly ? Nothing like the old Buick Open

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No doubt in my mind this decision had tax revenue raising behind it. Got to pay those pensions.

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