@DIMEMAN said:
The FS301 and FS302 1849 Half Dime's look like 2 completely different overdates to me. If I owned one of each and all of a sudden they were called the same coin......I would not be a happy camper.
They are indeed different 1849/6 dies. The TPGs just need to do whatever they do with other issues with multiple overdates, such as 1880 dollars.
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@DIMEMAN said:
The FS301 and FS302 1849 Half Dime's look like 2 completely different overdates to me. If I owned one of each and all of a sudden they were called the same coin......I would not be a happy camper.
They are indeed different 1849/6 dies. The TPGs just need to do whatever they do with other issues with multiple overdates, such as 1880 dollars.
So if PCGS just lumps the '49/8 with the '49/6, the six '49/6 Top Pops will then be 3 grades under?
Think I might be a lil PO'd!
Need the following OBW rolls to complete my 46-64 Roosevelt roll set: 1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S. Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
@DIMEMAN said:
The FS301 and FS302 1849 Half Dime's look like 2 completely different overdates to me. If I owned one of each and all of a sudden they were called the same coin......I would not be a happy camper.
They aren't. The only thing that's changing is they will be 1849/6 instead of 1849/8.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
@DIMEMAN said:
The FS301 and FS302 1849 Half Dime's look like 2 completely different overdates to me. If I owned one of each and all of a sudden they were called the same coin......I would not be a happy camper.
They aren't. The only thing that's changing is they will be 1849/6 instead of 1849/8.
They should have different labels, because they are different dies.
My suggestion (like the Red Book):
1849 / Far 6 V-2 FS-302
1849 / Near 6 V-4 FS-301
@DIMEMAN said:
The FS301 and FS302 1849 Half Dime's look like 2 completely different overdates to me. If I owned one of each and all of a sudden they were called the same coin......I would not be a happy camper.
They aren't. The only thing that's changing is they will be 1849/6 instead of 1849/8.
They should have different labels, because they are different dies.
My suggestion (like the Red Book):
1849 / Far 6 V-2 FS-302
1849 / Near 6 V-4 FS-301
I completely agree. They are clearly different.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Just a heads up to a pretty nice looking 1849/6 Variety that I found on eBay that doesn't have the variety label on it unfortunately, but someone could get it and send it back to PCGS to get it attributed with the 1849/6 H10c Variety label. I have no interest in this coin as to owning it, part owner of it or seller of it, just want to let you people know that collect these variety of coins that this out there if someone is interested in it. I believe it's at a pretty good price for a 1849/6 variety. I would have purchased it but it's not something that I collect. Good luck to the person that buys it if someone buys it!
@CaptHenway said:
Let me try to upload a picture of Mr. HalfDime's killer 1849/6 V-2 Very Early Die State.
Thanks for obtaining the image and posting it - I have been wanting to see this amazing example for years. @MrHalfDime told part of the story about this coin in a 2005 forum post:
At an ANA summer convention several years ago, I stopped by the table of Harlan Berk, for whom Thomas Delorey works, to introduce myself and offer my comments and agreement with his articles on the 1849 half dimes. Although Harlan Berk specializes in ancient and foreign coins, Mr. Delorey smiled, reached into his case, and said "Then you would appreciate this coin". He showed me absolutely the earliest die state that I had ever seen of the 1849 V2 "1849/6", with the entire underdigit visible. It was, indesputably, a 6 - without question. He smiled again and said "Kind of puts an end to the debate, doesn't it?". I was thoroughly impressed and asked if I might take some notes on the coin. Thomas stunned me by saying "I'll do better than that; you can buy it if you'd like". I treasure that coin, and often produce it to end debate on the 1849/6 vs. 1849/8 half dimes.
I’m glad you got to enjoy it, Steve.
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Updated 6-19-19.
Bill Fivaz has confirmed to me that the 1849/8 V-4 FS-301 has been changed to 1849/6 V-4 FS-301a
and the 1849/8 V-2 FS-302 has been changed to 1849/6 V-2 FS-302a.
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
@CaptHenway said:
Updated 6-19-19.
Bill Fivaz has confirmed to me that the 1849/8 V-4 FS-301 has been changed to 1849/6 V-4 FS-301a
and the 1849/8 V-2 FS-302 has been changed to 1849/6 V-2 FS-302a.
TD
What does the "a" at the end denote? Is that just a means to distance it from the previous attribution?
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
@CaptHenway said:
Updated 6-19-19.
Bill Fivaz has confirmed to me that the 1849/8 V-4 FS-301 has been changed to 1849/6 V-4 FS-301a
and the 1849/8 V-2 FS-302 has been changed to 1849/6 V-2 FS-302a.
TD
What does the "a" at the end denote? Is that just a means to distance it from the previous attribution?
Yes, to show that it is the same variety previously referenced but now amended.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
Comments
They are indeed different 1849/6 dies. The TPGs just need to do whatever they do with other issues with multiple overdates, such as 1880 dollars.
They also have 2 different underlying digits.
So if PCGS just lumps the '49/8 with the '49/6, the six '49/6 Top Pops will then be 3 grades under?
Think I might be a lil PO'd!
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
They aren't. The only thing that's changing is they will be 1849/6 instead of 1849/8.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
They should have different labels, because they are different dies.
My suggestion (like the Red Book):
1849 / Far 6 V-2 FS-302
1849 / Near 6 V-4 FS-301
I completely agree. They are clearly different.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Just a heads up to a pretty nice looking 1849/6 Variety that I found on eBay that doesn't have the variety label on it unfortunately, but someone could get it and send it back to PCGS to get it attributed with the 1849/6 H10c Variety label. I have no interest in this coin as to owning it, part owner of it or seller of it, just want to let you people know that collect these variety of coins that this out there if someone is interested in it. I believe it's at a pretty good price for a 1849/6 variety. I would have purchased it but it's not something that I collect. Good luck to the person that buys it if someone buys it!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1849-P-Seated-Liberty-Half-Dime-PCGS-MS64-CAC/132623393124?hash=item1ee0f86164:g:-3sAAOSw7UJa03rb
Thanks @ParlousJoe that one has been on ebay for quite a while.
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Any new info?
My most recent 1849/6 H10C V-2 cherry-pick arrived today;
(sellers images)
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I like Roger's thinking and reasoning, as metal goes. And as far as research goes, well this is an awesome thread.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
Seems so far away...but it is only a year and a half away.
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I’m glad you got to enjoy it, Steve.
TD
Another history making thread!
Updated 6-19-19.
Bill Fivaz has confirmed to me that the 1849/8 V-4 FS-301 has been changed to 1849/6 V-4 FS-301a
and the 1849/8 V-2 FS-302 has been changed to 1849/6 V-2 FS-302a.
TD
Congrats @CaptHenway!
These changes will appear in the 2020 CPG?
Yes
Tremendous! Thank you Capt!
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
What does the "a" at the end denote? Is that just a means to distance it from the previous attribution?
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Yes, to show that it is the same variety previously referenced but now amended.
You're welcome!
Only took me about 40 years..........