Need some help determining the die type of this 1922 Cent.

jafo50

I have four 1922 cents that I've been trying to identify the die type to see if I have a die type #2 winner. So far the other three don't appear to be die type #2. Another issue is getting clear enough photos so someone can make an accurate determination. This particular coin looks like there is some 'damage' where the mint mark should be. It could be that someone tried to "make" a 22 plain of that's just the way it came from the mint. None of these 1922 cents have seen the light of day for at least 50 years. They've been in my possession for that long as they were passed down from my great uncle to my mother and then to me. I've tried to take photos from different angles and with different lighting but the results are still sub par in my opinion.

Thanks for taking a look at this.

Joe

Insider2

Looks like the "D" was removed. Most "Weak D" coins I've seen have weak dates and reverses. Yours has a weak reverse. Sort of makes sense. How about this theory (I was not there). Both the dies are getting worn with the obverse more worn. They change the obverse to a fresh die. Perhaps you have a die state just before they retired the reverse.

acloco

"......swooshed"

amwldcoin

Nope! The easiest way to tell die pair #2 is the reverse is always at least a full grade higher detail wise than the Obv.....hence strong reverse!

jafo50

@acloco said:
"......swooshed"

Kind of looks that way doesn't it?

The other three are die pair #1 due to the die crack that's visible on the reverse.
A very faint D (if you can even call it that) on a third coin which I think is a #3 and the last one appears to be a #4. This is the only cent that didn't seem to match the known copies.

acloco

Using goooooogle foo......

Die Pair #1:
• The easiest way to classify Die Pair #1 is the Jogging Die
Crack running from L in Pluribus through O in One.
However, this die crack is not always present. Also, be
aware that there exists a 1922 D variety with a straight die
crack in the same location.
• The second 2 in date is weaker than the first 2.
• The first T in Trust is more distinct than the other letters.
Furthermore, the T, U, and T in TRUST are stronger than
the R and S.
• WE is very mushy.
• Reverse is very weak, usually with no lines in the wheat ears.
• Mintmark ranges from Weak to No D.

Die Pair #2:
• Absolutely no trace of a D
• Second 2 in date is sharper than the first 2.
• All letters in TRUST are sharp.
• WE is only slightly mushy.
• L in LIBERTY butts up against the rim.
• Reverse is sharp with nice wheat lines.

Die pair #3:
• Second 2 in date is weaker than first 2.
• TRUST is weak but sharper than IN GOD WE.
• L in LIBERTY butts up against the rim.
• The reverse is slightly rotated counterclockwise
• Reverse is weak -- lower left part of O in ONE begins to
spread into the field as the die deteriotates. Reverse looks "wavy"
• Mintmark ranges from Weak to No D.

Die Pair #4
"The front of Lincoln's coat from about 4 o'clock to 5 o'clock
appears to merge into the rim whereas Dies 1-3 all have a
regular pronounced gap between the coat
and rim. This merging is responsible for Die 4's nickname,
"coattails." The reverse is noted for its weak high point detail,
similar to Die 1 and Die 3." - Andrew Vickery ANACS Grader

jafo50

@acloco

I've read thru this explanation prior to posting with the remaining three 22's that I have but the coin in this post didn't quite fit any of the four categories. Probably because the D was chopped off on this coin.

BTW.... I didn't quite catch the last word at the beginning of your response, foo...???

BuffaloIronTail

@jafo50 said:
@acloco

I've read thru this explanation prior to posting with the remaining three 22's that I have but the coin in this post didn't quite fit any of the four categories. Probably because the D was chopped off on this coin.

BTW.... I didn't quite catch the last word at the beginning of your response, foo...???

The "D" was removed. The coin is a normal circulated 1922-D Lincoln Cent.

Pete

jafo50

Thanks Pete. It looked that way to me also. One of the other 22's I have is a very weak D which I think is a #3 die set. I also think I have a #1 and a #4 die set 22. Too bad none of them are the money coins