We all have to do what we have to do. Dealers are in the same boat. They have lives to live and other responsibilities, just like me and other collectors. I'm ok with a dealer that can only make it for one day.
@keets said
you guys can complain about this till the cows come home.
dealers are not going to stay for a dead show on Sunday and don't hold your breath waiting for them to be punished by the promoter. instead, just get over it and make a better plan next year. geez, you know you better go Thurs-Sat, why complain??
The point was I was at the Saturday show at 1 pm. Not Sunday the dealers packed up Friday and more Saturday morning.
Nice pickups! Next time introduce yourself at the show.
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But how do they know it is dead on Sunday?
The point was I was at the Saturday show at 1 pm. Not Sunday the dealers packed up Friday and more Saturday morning.
the easy answer is to ask.
if you have been at this site for any amount of time and ask "What is it like on Sunday at the FUN Show??" you would get the answer --- many dealers start to leave Saturday and the show is a graveyard on Sunday. that's just how it is at most of the major shows, advertised as Thurs-Sun but really Thurs-Sat early. remember, most of the major dealers have been in town since the previous weekend for auctions and personal business that we never hear about.
I plan according to that whenever I attend a large show like this. I get there for the opening on Thursday and take care of anything I have pre-arranged and say "Hello" to whoever I can find. Friday I put on blinders and try to look at as many tables/coins/dealers as possible. Saturday is casual, still looking at coins but trying to relax before heading home in the early afternoon.
good luck at your next large show, Kat. plan well and ask questions early on so we can try to help you.
@Kkathyl said:
I think the Franklin Set has some cool toners in it but of course it’s not an MS set but it’s still complete and I can appreciate the work it took to put it together. Might be a good start for my son.
You did right by going for the "whole hog" with the Frankies.......
Pete
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@tommy44 said:
Never mind complaining about the dealers that left early Saturday. One of the dealers I came to visit had someone at their table around 11 AM Friday, when I came back around 1:30 PM he had already packed up and left.
Some Big shows have indeed evolved into face to face dealer to dealer get togethers.. They make their money trading between selves, and count down the time to leave
I just smile when some of these very same dealers who bailout early from coin shows, bemoan lack of YNs , collectors at their shows
@bestday when these guys trade between themselves they are not making the money needed to cover the overhead. Its just a back and forth of Inventory shuffling.
hot potato as @RIcko says
@Kkathyl said: @bestday when these guys trade between themselves they are not making the money needed to cover the overhead. Its just a back and forth of Inventory shuffling.
hot potato as @RIcko says
Not necessarily. Dealers that have regular retail customers with which they know they can place certain coins are on the lookout for such coins. They will make money because they know they have the coin they are trading for sold at a specific markup over what they're going to have into it as a result of trading.
@tommy44 said:
Never mind complaining about the dealers that left early Saturday. One of the dealers I came to visit had someone at their table around 11 AM Friday, when I came back around 1:30 PM he had already packed up and left.
Some Big shows have indeed evolved into face to face dealer to dealer get togethers.. They make their money trading between selves, and count down the time to leave
I just smile when some of these very same dealers who bailout early from coin shows, bemoan lack of YNs , collectors at their shows
Unfortunately, this is EXACTLY how it is even at the PCGS Members Only Shows.
I havn't been to a show in years. It seemed like most dealers were jaded and disinterested and just showing up for work. Last time I brought a couple ANACS graded gold coins, covered the grade and asked for an opinion from dealers who didn't have any clients at the moment. To most of us, GTG is an interesting learning experience. At the shows, I was a bother and causing them to "work".
@REALGATOR said:
I havn't been to a show in years. It seemed like most dealers were jaded and disinterested and just showing up for work. Last time I brought a couple ANACS graded gold coins, covered the grade and asked for an opinion from dealers who didn't have any clients at the moment. To most of us, GTG is an interesting learning experience. At the shows, I was a bother and causing them to "work".
I wasn't one of the dealers you spoke with, but I will address this scenario briefly because there might have been some degree of miscommunication. If you are unknown to a dealer and stop by a table with coins to GTG then the dealer may have legitimate concerns as to your motive. In the dealer's mind you may be about to offer the coins for sale to him/her and the GTG is a way to pick their brain in order to maximize your offer price. Worse yet, you may be ready to offer the coins to another dealer, but want the dealer in question to give you advice prior to the possible sale. Alternatively, you might be bringing potential show purchases to the dealer under the guise of GTG so that the dealer will give you an expert (or possibly expert) evaluation of a coin owned by someone else; this can be frowned upon at shows.
I realize this wasn't your stated motivation, but dealers see a boatload of grey in the actions of some of the public at shows.
I wasn't one of the dealers you spoke with, but I will address this scenario briefly because there might have been some degree of miscommunication. If you are unknown to a dealer and stop by a table with coins to GTG then the dealer may have legitimate concerns as to your motive. In the dealer's mind you may be about to offer the coins for sale to him/her and the GTG is a way to pick their brain in order to maximize your offer price. Worse yet, you may be ready to offer the coins to another dealer, but want the dealer in question to give you advice prior to the possible sale. Alternatively, you might be bringing potential show purchases to the dealer under the guise of GTG so that the dealer will give you an expert (or possibly expert) evaluation of a coin owned by someone else; this can be frowned upon at shows.
I realize this wasn't your stated motivation, but dealers see a boatload of grey in the actions of some of the public at shows.
Good points, but I was upfront about that I was the owner and no intentions of selling. So it becomes a matter of whether or not to be "bothered" judging my integrity. GTG is just one example. I also encountered that bothered look when I ask to handle something in the case. As if by tilting the coin in a certain way, I'll discover the flaw. So the experience just became somewhat unpleasant and pointless. At least we have Al Gore to thank for the internet!
Anyway, it has been many years. Maybe I'll give it another go when the next major show hits S. Florida.
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We all have to do what we have to do. Dealers are in the same boat. They have lives to live and other responsibilities, just like me and other collectors. I'm ok with a dealer that can only make it for one day.
@keets said
you guys can complain about this till the cows come home.
dealers are not going to stay for a dead show on Sunday and don't hold your breath waiting for them to be punished by the promoter. instead, just get over it and make a better plan next year. geez, you know you better go Thurs-Sat, why complain??
The point was I was at the Saturday show at 1 pm. Not Sunday the dealers packed up Friday and more Saturday morning.
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Nice pickups! Next time introduce yourself at the show.
But how do they know it is dead on Sunday?
The point was I was at the Saturday show at 1 pm. Not Sunday the dealers packed up Friday and more Saturday morning.
the easy answer is to ask.
if you have been at this site for any amount of time and ask "What is it like on Sunday at the FUN Show??" you would get the answer --- many dealers start to leave Saturday and the show is a graveyard on Sunday. that's just how it is at most of the major shows, advertised as Thurs-Sun but really Thurs-Sat early. remember, most of the major dealers have been in town since the previous weekend for auctions and personal business that we never hear about.
I plan according to that whenever I attend a large show like this. I get there for the opening on Thursday and take care of anything I have pre-arranged and say "Hello" to whoever I can find. Friday I put on blinders and try to look at as many tables/coins/dealers as possible. Saturday is casual, still looking at coins but trying to relax before heading home in the early afternoon.
good luck at your next large show, Kat. plan well and ask questions early on so we can try to help you.
You did right by going for the "whole hog" with the Frankies.......
Pete
Some Big shows have indeed evolved into face to face dealer to dealer get togethers.. They make their money trading between selves, and count down the time to leave
I just smile when some of these very same dealers who bailout early from coin shows, bemoan lack of YNs , collectors at their shows
@bestday when these guys trade between themselves they are not making the money needed to cover the overhead. Its just a back and forth of Inventory shuffling.
hot potato as @RIcko says
Best place to buy !
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Not necessarily. Dealers that have regular retail customers with which they know they can place certain coins are on the lookout for such coins. They will make money because they know they have the coin they are trading for sold at a specific markup over what they're going to have into it as a result of trading.
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Unfortunately, this is EXACTLY how it is even at the PCGS Members Only Shows.
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I havn't been to a show in years. It seemed like most dealers were jaded and disinterested and just showing up for work. Last time I brought a couple ANACS graded gold coins, covered the grade and asked for an opinion from dealers who didn't have any clients at the moment. To most of us, GTG is an interesting learning experience. At the shows, I was a bother and causing them to "work".
I wasn't one of the dealers you spoke with, but I will address this scenario briefly because there might have been some degree of miscommunication. If you are unknown to a dealer and stop by a table with coins to GTG then the dealer may have legitimate concerns as to your motive. In the dealer's mind you may be about to offer the coins for sale to him/her and the GTG is a way to pick their brain in order to maximize your offer price. Worse yet, you may be ready to offer the coins to another dealer, but want the dealer in question to give you advice prior to the possible sale. Alternatively, you might be bringing potential show purchases to the dealer under the guise of GTG so that the dealer will give you an expert (or possibly expert) evaluation of a coin owned by someone else; this can be frowned upon at shows.
I realize this wasn't your stated motivation, but dealers see a boatload of grey in the actions of some of the public at shows.
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Good points, but I was upfront about that I was the owner and no intentions of selling. So it becomes a matter of whether or not to be "bothered" judging my integrity. GTG is just one example. I also encountered that bothered look when I ask to handle something in the case. As if by tilting the coin in a certain way, I'll discover the flaw. So the experience just became somewhat unpleasant and pointless. At least we have Al Gore to thank for the internet!
Anyway, it has been many years. Maybe I'll give it another go when the next major show hits S. Florida.