Grade My Cards Part 3? - My 1st Clemente 55 RC --- Also a Mantle 58 & Jim Brown 58 RC
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I have never owned or bought a Clemente and think I may have overpaid out of the excitement the appeal gave me personally on it. With that being said, I cannot wait to get it in a holder. Clemente's cost was $800. I picked up the other two also recently so figured I'd share.
To note: The Jim Brown RC is a previous minsizerq, I am going to give it another shot. It measures out so I believe it was an incorrect grading assessment. Feel free to share where you think it lands shall it end up in a holder.
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Beautiful cards. Assuming no hidden paper loss, wrinkles or pin holes, my guesses are:
Clemente 5
Brown 6
Mantle 6.5
Clemente - 4.5
Brown - 6
Mantle - 5.5 or 6
Very nice pickups on all 3, and the Brown and Mantle look awesome!
KC
Thank you for the feedback thus far.
Mantle is my favorite out of this group also ^ and I just cannot see being upset no matter the holder. *Added back pictures to post #1. The Clemente I hope is a 4+ and the Brown I would like to see holdered, period.
3.5
5
5.5
I don't like the bottom edge if the Clemente, the left side looks to be a bit pointy i.e. the bottom edge has a "banana" effect (I invented this term) which may be the result of an alteration
Thank you for the assessment. The Clemente does have a curl to it from the set storage I believe. Most of the other cards from that collection were similar. The edges are rough enough along the bottom edge under the scope which to me doesn't normally represent a cut. I feel pretty great about the source also, but we will definitely see soon regardless due to the level needed to grade it(Express). I appreciate you taking the time to glance it over. I have never owned one and it is a premier rookie so the risk is real.
if no alteration, I could see the Roberto being between a 3 and a 4. Mantle looks like a 6, and the Brown looks like it might be short top to bottom (although it's hard to tell and I'm far from an expert at spotting trimmed cards from a scan). Good luck!
Bearer of not great news, but the 58 mantle will be a vg+ or vgex due to crease/wrinkle through the stats box on the back, going edge to edge when viewing from the back. For the brown, not sure what the semicircular scuffs in the upper right are, but they also limit it to an ex maybe? Good news, I think the Clemente is a pretty solid 4. Best of luck!
Thanks for the feedback. You are correct, Brown was minsizerq at PSA once. It looks fine against other 58s and measures within tolerance. Good thing though it isnt trimmed, per PSA's first assessment anyway.
Thanks for feedback man. I want to know if there is a crease and anything altered so the news isn't all that bad. Good news is the Mantle won't be leaving my collection I do not believe so even a psa 5 or 4 is okay with me because I won't likely own nicer appeal in my lifetime. If that crease does indeed exist, can you tell me if it comes through the front in any way from pic? I cannot identify the crease myself in the picture, but I need my loupe and the card is at home to dive deeper. If you can circle it in a pic that would be cool but I am sure I will see it once home.
Yep, I think more a back wrinkle, vs. an actual crease that goes through front and back; I don't see it at all from the front. I have a PSA4 '58 Mantle with the exact same type of flaw -- semicircular (in my case) factory back wrinkle that doesn't appear on the front at all. I'm trying to attach a circled image, but the easiest place to pick it up is between the "w" and "s" of "Throws:" in the back stats.
Upshot of the Mantle, if I am correct about the wrinkle, it'll be one of those really nice "low grade, but very high eye-appeal" Mantles. A lot of people like that, me included!
Thank you for circling it. I had noticed that during first inspection but I did think it was a print hiccup and not a crease. I will look it over tonight and see if there is any indentations on the card there also. Are spider wrinkles on the back like this normally limiting the card to a 4 or 5 or is that only front spiders? I would think a front would be a max of 3 though if it was noticeable.
I do think a front wrinkle would be "worse" than a back wrinkle, and probably limit the grade as much, or more. But I'm no grader with exact knowledge of how and to what degree they penalize wrinkles. I would agree with you, it's not a "crease" (as in put there by an uncareful owner) so much as a "wrinkle" (I think it's as-manufactured.) Confusing thing is, with comics, such wrinkles are called "printer's creases." But a wrinkle I think it is.
Viewing from the back, the effect is the same for a light crease, and the front might show it and I'm just not seeing it in your scan, but I don't think it's creased. To easily see if it is, just bouncing light off of the front of the card would reveal any slight bends/changes from the desired flat plane.
I think it'll probably 4, or 4.5, but it could also 5, as the appearance is otherwise so pleasing. I have a PSA 5 '67 Killebrew I got years ago on the board, and it was described as NM+ appearing, but had a teensy wrinkle on the back, and so it does. Good luck with all your cards!
Minor surface wrinkles max at a PSA 6 on the back and PSA 5 on the front. I haven't seen one as severe as this appears to know how it would be treated.
I reviewed the Mick under the scope. It is indeed a wrinkle on the back, with no presence on the front. I cannot believe I missed it before. It truly looked like a printer hiccup to me under 10x. The wrinkle will limit it between a 3-5 at maximum is the consensus and I am pretty sure the .5 is out as well? The good news is the card will remain in my possession for a while so I do not mind and to me it is an exceptional (3-5). Let's get these 3 in a holder. TBD in a few weeks.