1972-S Lincoln Proof "Accented Beard"???
Windycity
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Why not? We have a 1964 accented hair Proof Kennedy half, take a look at this 1972-S Proof Lincoln that has what looks like re-engraved bread detail which is not present on most 1972-S Proof Lincolns. I have compared it to a normal proof for reference. Worthy or variety status? Welcome opinions.
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You need two 1972 proofs: one with retouching and one without. Otherwise, it is of little interest since it affects all the proofs of that year.
I've seen that on some of the various business strike 1972 doubled dies (2,3,5,7,8) I have... I always thought they could just be really well struck.
Roger B - Note post has image of two coins - one with re-engraved bread, one without for comparison purposes. Very different coins.
Very interesting. It looks like it might be a strikethrough to me.
I compared your cent to some on eBay. I could not find any that resembled your coin. Nice!
Here is a 1972 DDO Die 5, with the lines in the beard:
DDB - double die beard
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Yes, but one is a circulation coin and the other is a proof. Comparison has to be between two coins of the same manufacturing process.
Both are proof
The plate coin the PCGS uses on the 1972-S Proof page is a PR68 and appears to have similar re-engraving. Other PR67 coins do not have it.
Oh....in that case I was wrong. The 2nd photo looked like a circulation coin to me. (I will send my computer's CPU out for a careful cleaning...)
I wonder if those delicate lines might have disappeared as more coins were struck. Maybe only the very earliest struck show 'em.
That was my thought also. it's very possible.
Hey Roger, you are correct that the coin I posted is a business strike- My point was that the same lines can be seen on both business strikes and proofs, indicating it isn't a single proof die. I have rolls of various 1972 DDO business strikes, and I'll try and see if I can find an example of the same DDO with and without the beard lines. This would support what @koynekwest suggested.
The lines look similar, cmerlo1 and yours (especially near the jaw). They are not of the same intensity, though.
You may have something there.
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Wow, you have a good eye for detail- I never paid much attention to the beard lines. I haven't checked my '72-s proof Lincolns, but I did check my '71-s' because they were readily available- I have around 10 that I broke out of proof sets. I did notice beard lines similar to yours, in varying degrees of strength from detailed to almost non-existent. So, I'd guess that your example is fully struck in detail from fresh dies vs. one that was from a worn out die but would need to match up more examples to see if there's a different pattern in beard lines? I'll check my '72-s tomorrow. Who know's- neat observation. You may be onto something.
Those lines look like they are into the coin, rather than out of the surface like a normal re-engraving, are they?
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Are you guys talking or proofs or business strikes here?
I have noticed the beard details before on these coins.
I just assumed the coins with the stronger beard lines were from fresh dies, as a few others have stated.
Maybe Lincoln went in for a beard trim halfway through the production run.
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Jessewvu, the two coins I posted in the original post are both proofs.
I checked my 1972-s and it is an exact match with same recessed lines as yours on beard. Doesn't appear to be re-engraved.
I had never heard of this before. It looks like they are pretty easy to spot? The engraving seems not very professional to me.
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