Condition expectations as seen under 10X magnification
maddux69
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I have relied on my naked eye for judging cards and seeing if they have chances for a high grade for the past few years. I do pretty well overall, but there are always a 7 mixed in there that really make you doubt your grading prowess. I finally purchased a 10X loupe to see if I can better discern certain features. I would like to see if others have a best practice that would enhance using a loupe, i.e. placing it in direct light overhead or behind to view. Would the flip down glasses with lighted magnification work even better? I have noticed that their is a good deal of contrast when looking at corners with the light source behind to get great idea of their condition. Also, are there any resources that show edge wear and corners under magnification so one could better discern what condition fits what grades. Thanks for the input guys
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The slanted card light view while wearing any spectacles one needs along with a loupe for corners serves all.
Here is what has served me very well for over a decade now.
Just bought these. Will report in this thread once they arrive.
Any of these will do. I use a bright light and a couple of different forms of magnification.
I was getting ready to pull the trigger on those as well, let us know how they work out!
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I use a desk lamp with 10x magnification built in. I personally prefer using that to a loupe as I get better light and can see better.
Optivisor w/10X Lens for me.
I go with this:
The scale works great for situations where OC is close to a limit and a pen light can be used at different angles to look at corners.
Kevin
Kevin
Any of these will do. I use a bright light and a couple of different forms of magnification.
Is a 30x too much zoom?
It's roughly 30x more zoom than a grader uses.
A grader doesn't use any magnification?
Correct
20-10 vision, good light, angles. I'll stick with that until I lose the vision
Very bright, precise light more than anything. I have an expensive loupe, but the pen light reveals more to me.
I originally used a lower powered handheld loupe but now use the one linked below that clips to my phones camera. Its awesome for seeing 60x, and can take pics for my reviewing later on. I know its way more powerful that the 10x I believe PSA uses, but I can really see things and get an idea what the card really looks like. Its come in very handy on foil cards especially. My last batch of PSA subbed cards all came back 9's and 10's. I was really able to cherry pick the right cards to send. Heres an example of how well you can see under 60x.
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Microscope-Adjustable-Blackberry-Smartphones/dp/B00XNFEB54
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Quality lighting is all you need. Joe Orlando confirmed that PSA graders do not use magnification to assess condition for most cards. It's a mainly a tool to detect/inspect alterations. Magnification will conceal slight bends and other issues, which will affect a grade a lot more frequently than the type of corner fraying/paper loss seen under magnification. Also, 10's from colored bordered sets will frequently have a little bit of white showing to the naked eye on the corners/edges anyway, particularly on the back.
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When grading corners on a card that is obviously a 7 (maybe 8) or lower, I would think that no loupe is needed. However, (for corners) I would think that a loupe is absolutely necessary. On a white bordered card (and even some colored borders), it is very, very difficult to tell the difference between a 9 and a 10.
In my opinion, the above comments COULD BE misleading. No.....a loupe is probably not used on a card with obvious corner wear. However, to determine the difference between a 9 and a 10....I would think a loupe is an absolute must.
Shane
IMO, using magnification to look for flaws that can't be seen with the naked eye is the antithesis of "eye appeal". If you can only tell a "9" from a "10" with magnification, the entire grading thing is a joke.
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Your statement has merit, but that is the reality in the grading world with corners. You can obviously tell centering differences and print defects without magnification, but corners.....not so much. SHOULD it be that way? I tend to agree with you.
Shane
To each their own, but I've never used any type of magnifier to distinguish a 9 from a 10, even with sets that are prone to chipping. I know of other people who are the same way and I seriously doubt the graders are louping all these post-1990 cards they get. If they are, it doesn't seem to make any difference. I've seen tons of 10's with specs of white on the corners that were visible without magnification. In some sets, it's hard to find a 10 that doesn't have any visible corner wear with the card in hand.
I found old threads where one member (otwcards) said he was formerly a senior grader with sgc. I don't have the link to it handy but I thought his posts on this subject and others were worth the read.
Demondeacs is spot on.
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I am simply speaking from my experience. I can't get a 10 unless I'm the card is absolutely perfect. I do have a fairly high percentage of cards getting a 10 when I am shooting for a 10. I'm just saying that I don't get breaks when a card is not perfect. That's why I loupe everything when I send it in when shooting for a 10.
Shane
The graders aren't louping your cards. If you have a good light source and good eyesight, any potential 10 can be determined without the aid of a loupe. If your eyesight or light source isn't so great, a loupe can be useful in those cases, but as demondeac mentioned, you can also miss surface issues like a wrinkle if your using magnification and not looking at the card naturally.
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Who cares what the graders do? I am going to use whatever tool I can to eliminate sending in cards not worth grading. I have a pile of PSA slabbed cards that I can't sell for enough to cover the grading fee. I am trying to keep that stack from growing.
I always look at the card "naturally" under bright sunlight if possible, but since using magnification, I have not subbed quite a few borderline cards. This has become more important of late (in my opinion) as 8's and even some 9's are no longer desirable.