1857 seated quarter clashed with a flying eagle cent...grade?
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I rather like this variety, and will probably keep this one around for a while. Does anyone else have one? Let's see yours. What do you think mine grades?
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I'm VF. Decades ago, J.T. Stanton offered me one in similar condition for around $200 but I could not swing the price. I've been looking to Cherry one since then with no luck,
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Thanks! I forgot this: My personal "old timey" grade VF-35. Modern TPGS: Heck, they may go as high as AU-50 in a Heritage auction! LOL. IMO here, most will grade this coin XF-45 and that's what I should grade it if I worked at a TPGS.
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I was actually just looking at this one this morning: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1857-25C-Liberty-Seated-Quarter-PCGS-XF45-FS-901-Flying-eagle-cent-clash-/162675108015?epid=170434049&hash=item25e03128af:g:eFYAAOSwXedZvBZ5
I think based on that we could argue that yours is XF45-AU50 because to me yours is clearly nicer assuming no hairlines that can't be seen in your pics.
Nice coin. I used to have a harshly cleaned F15 that I ended up selling. Not sure if I still have the pics or not.
Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.
Look the variety up on the Internet. What may be confusing is the clash from the other coin is upside down. In this grade, it is a "naked eye" example to anyone knowledgeable about the variety.
Based on the Ebay coin above, I'd get it to our host as it may be graded AU-53!!!
Looks ~xf to me. Never saw one of these.
I used to own one of the flying eagle cents with the seated quarter clashes in ~vf that I cherried and later sold to Charmy at a FUN show.
I believe the Flying Eagle's are far more common than the quarters.
Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.
XF Details
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@oih82w8 said: "XF Details"
Do you mean XF detaials or XF "details" (problem grade)?
If that is the case, what is the problem? Too cleaned in your opinion?
As you know, I have one of the few graded UNC coins in this variety.
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I seem to remember, somewhat. Please, refresh my memory.
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My ANACS grade circa 1979-1984, VF-35. Today, EF-40, possibly better.
But the same amount of detail is worn away!!!
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This is mine. I waited for years to find one I liked.
The matching cent.
It sure was exciting back when there were so many great varieties like this being discovered. Bill Fivaz of course discovered many of them. I remember sitting with him at the 1977 ANA convention's error and variety general meeting and he was showing me things he had bought.
One was an 1857 F.E. with the odd marks that had been posted in Clearinghouse years before but nobody knew what they were. I studied it for about 20 minutes when the Seated design suddenly popped into my head. I told Bill what it was and after he picked his jaw up off the floor he went out and revolutionized cherry picking.
Very interesting story. And, that one in the old ANACS holder above is absolutely stellar for the grade.
You guys will love this ... my pop 1 PCGS MS64. It's on Coinfacts if you want to see the bigger version
The first one was discovered by an ANACS authenticator in the early 1970's in DC. The owner had no idea even what a clash mark was. It took the rookie authenticator there about three minutes under the scope to figure out what the strange marks on the coin were from. Although he knew what a clash mark was, up to that time none of the "Midnight Minter's" work had been identified so this type of clash was unknown! The quarter was shown to technicians at the Mint Lab to confirm its authenticity.
I've been looking for this one also with no luck for over 40 years so I'll pass the torch and perhaps one will turn up soon: There is a 1904 $20 Liberty with a reverse clash from another denomination. The clash is visible inside the shield. This was seen at ANACS in DC or INSAB in DC. AFAIK, it was sent out as a normal coin with no mention of the clash. I have a photo of the coin somewhere in my storage room in another state. Happy Hunting!
I grade the OP's coin VF35.
I was collecting clash die coins at a young age. If it had a clash, I had to have it. Many dealers thought it was just damage and would discount the coin. I could not understand the 1857 cents but I kept buying them. When the news broke, I was a happy camper. Even after the news broke it was easy to Cherrypick the FE clashed with the half dollar, S-9. I wish an example of the $20 gold piece and the half dollar could be found with the clash.
These images were posted on this site many years ago.
I bought this one on EBAY about 20 years ago. I guess you would call it an error slab. Not sure when it was graded. The holder shows it as the reverse being clashed with the half dollar but it's actually clashed with the quarter, S-8.
Anyone know Jim Heller?
Bill was one of the top CherryPickers in his day. I'll go so far to say that he and a few others were probably the first. As a beginner in the 1960's I knew very little about RPM's, RPD's etc. Two coins I spent my youth looking for were an 1883 5c with a doubled "S" and the Indian cent with the secret mark rev. Both I learned of from a B&R auction catalog. Talk about a wasted youth! Later as I learned more I did what Bill did and looked at every coin in a dealer's stock. I hated J.T and Bill for their publication but it did open up many new varieties I'd never heard of. LOL.
Was it ever publicized as a dual-denomination clash mark? You know the old saying that I just made up:
"Publish Pictures or it Didn't Happen!"
"Publish Pictures or it Didn't Happen! I like that and agree!
Perhaps the greedy fellow who discovered it may have wanted to look for one for himself. Additionally, I'll bet it was logged in as a normal 1857 25c in the ANACS logbook too. Next time I see the authenticator who discovered it, I'll ask him what happened.
BTW, AFAIK he did not tell anyone about the $20 Lib either until a short time ago. I even heard a story about a 1918/7 Mercury dime! As you stated, "Nothing published, nothing there!" Probably Just old bar stories. LOL.
Along the same lines, I don't think the 1877/6 50c was ever published either until many, many years after it was first discovered!
One more thing I can say for 100% certainty. There are many very interesting coins that no one knows about yet as their discover's look for more examples. One story I heard about the 1877/6 50c is that one of the major TPGS refused to certify it as a genuine overdate because no other example existed at the time - nothing was published either. Even the Liberty Seated experts refused to acknowledge it was an actual overdate coin. How sad.
AFAIK he did not tell anyone about the $20 Lib ???