Ebay...game issued 1986 Walter Payton Jersey??

momo1234

Like most chicagoans I am a fan of Sweetness and will look at ebay from time to time to find some cool memorabilia...

I have NEVER seen a jersey like this, in this good of condition, and the fact that it says "possibly game issued" has me intrigued.

It looks like it is from 85 or 86...what do you guys think?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/112560226443?ul_noapp=true

JAG85

Sleeves look pretty long to be a game issued jersey

momo1234

@JAG85 said:
Sleeves look pretty long to be a game issued jersey

actually, thats one of the reasons i think it's legit. if you look at the pics of the jerseys in the 80'S they were longer..

erikthredd

This just my opinion but if this seller really thought this might be Game Issued,I highly doubt he'd be willing to let it go just for $99 with no reserve. I'm guessing he added the "may have been game issued" hoping someone might bite on the $1500 BIN or make a substantial offer better than his starting bid. If you're looking just for a Payton throwback jersey,this was the first jersey on a Google search at $149 brand new.
http://www.nflshop.com/league/NFL/team/Chicago_Bears/category/14012/browse/featuredproduct/2140069/partnerid/12730/source/ak1944nfl-pla?sku=6988041&003=14180831&CS_010=2140069

momo1234

theres no way you can compare the quality of those jerseys...i am looking for authentic and vintage.i agree, i think it may have been a mistake as it appears now the starting bid has gone up!

momo1234

seems to me like a nice jersey either way

erikthredd

Thats tough when all you have to go on is just the guy's opinion that it might be game issued.

momo1234

true....its definitely a unique piece.

erikthredd

Came across this on another google search. This link said his size was a 44.
http://www.paragonauctions.com/1984_87_Walter_Payton_Chicago_Bears_Game_Used_Jers-LOT6021.aspx

another link at size 44
http://www.collectauctions.com/walter_payton_signed_1984_87_chicago_bears_road_je-lot19760.aspx

momo1234

interesting....thanks

momo1234

i wonder what a jersey of this quality, would even be worth. i do remeber seeing that payton wore a 42 but regradless, this one does not look at all like a replica, expecially when you compare it to the pics out there of other game used payton jerseys.

erikthredd

that 2nd link i just added to my last comment has the same white jersey and lets you zoom in on their scans.

momo1234

thanks...that confirms that quality wise this is the EXACT same...but the size is off, I wonder if it was sent and never worn because size was wrong. i just dont think they made replicas this authentic in the 80's and everything here (except the size on the tag) matches up from what i can tell

erikthredd

I definitely thinks its an authentic jersey from that time frame but as for the game issued opinion without authentication is a tough call.

momo1234

@erikthredd said:
I definitely thinks its an authentic jersey from that time frame but as for the game issued opinion without authentication is a tough call.

i agree with you but i have been collecting jerseys a long time and I just don't think they sold authentic jerseys like that back in the mid 80's. the jerseys that they sold were all replicas, but i could be wrong.

momo1234

@erikthredd check this out http://bidami.com/Auctions/AuctionItem?AuctionId=27122&t=&p=0

game used size 42! interesting. this may actually be legit.

erikthredd

That one sold for over 4k though. Its definitely a tough call,good luck with it. Is there an authentication service to find out if its game issued? Does PSA/DNA just do signed items?

momo1234

no idea....but the buy it now at 1500 is looking pretty good.

erikthredd

I'd bid $1500 then wait it out or snipe at the end with the same price,you might get lucky by paying less than half especially with no way for him to authenticate it. Either way good luck.

momo1234

good idea. thanks

LarkinCollector

BIN is $3500 now (went up with starting bid). Mears did the authentication for the Collect Auctions jersey.

momo1234

maybe i will ask them, but i think this guy/gal has something, and it could be legit. guess i will take my chances and see where the bidding goes.

momo1234

after reviewing it....i think its the real deal...wish it had some authenticity to it, i wonder if theres an old bears equipment manager out there ...LOL

erikthredd

@momo1234 said:
good idea. thanks

Is it just me,or is it weird that you post that link here,we talk about the price being too low and within minutes it got jacked up? Is my tinfoil hat on too tight lol.

momo1234

LOL....if it's on too tight you may need to loosen it. definitely funny though.

momo1234

is it a licensed tinfoil hat or replica ;-)

erikthredd

Just seems like a big coincidence unless you asked him while we were talking about it. Something made him decide to more than double the BIN price after listing it for just $1500. Everything we just talked about got added to the auction within minutes.

momo1234

i was emailing back and forth with him....i wonder if he was trolling the site....
maybe we should post some other stuff ;-)

erikthredd

so basically he got some interest then jacked it up by 2 grand? I've had a couple sellers do something like this to me before and i just moved on and didn't bother dealing with them at that point.

momo1234

i hear ya. either way...im gonna keep an eye on this one. may just throw in a bid at 1k and see what happens...

erikthredd

Good luck.

Tabe

Looks like a standard retail authentic to me.

momo1234

@Tabe said:
Looks like a standard retail authentic to me.

they did not make those standard retail authentics in the 80's. they made plenty of jerseys but none like that

dontippet

I certainly don't like to do this, but am I the only thinking the ebay seller and OP may be the same person?

vols1

I bet someone will buy this game issued jersey and play some football in the backyard then relist it as game worn.

momo1234

@dontippet said:
I certainly don't like to do this, but am I the only thinking the ebay seller and OP may be the same person?

I would not be selling it. ;-)

Tabe

Looks like a standard retail authentic to me. > @momo1234 said:

@Tabe said:
Looks like a standard retail authentic to me.

they did not make those standard retail authentics in the 80's. they made plenty of jerseys but none like that

Retail authentics were most definitely made in the 1980s. They were sold through catalogs and whatever but, yes, Wilson retail authentics were definitely made back then.

dontippet

@1970s said:

@dontippet said:
I certainly don't like to do this, but am I the only thinking the ebay seller and OP may be the same person?

Notice the word NEVER in the original post capitalized. Therein lies your answer.

Really?

momo1234

would love to see a picture of that Oakland A's uniform. I do remember the catalogs, but there were CLEAR (capitalizing to prove a point) differences between the ones in the catalog and the ones the players wore.

steel75

Without any documentation, what's the point? Your word? "It's game used, I swear"

momo1234

https://www.memorabilia.expert/shop/game-worn-memorabilia/mid-1970s-walter-payton-game-issued-chicago-bears-jersey-coa-100-team/

Well look what just popped up on my auction emails...its the same jersey. Guess it got verified.

vols1

@momo1234 said:
https://www.memorabilia.expert/shop/game-worn-memorabilia/mid-1970s-walter-payton-game-issued-chicago-bears-jersey-coa-100-team/

Well look what just popped up on my auction emails...its the same jersey. Guess it got verified.

The same auction house verified it that is selling it. Why not a 3rd party?

steel75

Doesn't sound like Payton never even touched this,
Plus the COA by who? For what? That it was given to Vip's & personal friends of the Bears?