1983 Topps Rack Pack with Boggs & Sandberg $400?
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Interesting find over on eBay. $399 for the rack pack. Gets you two of the big cards. Not sure if either one would get you a PSA 10 though to make it up.
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Both 8's at best with that centering.
Still a really neat item to own.
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I'd be cautious of its legitimacy.
Need Tim and/or Mike to chime in here.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
I know there was a time where bogus racks like these were circulating...I fell for it...you're basically buying rc of PSA 7s or 8s for a lot of money. If no bbce I would be careful
$400's a bit pricey IMO. Even if real.
Wouldn't pay more than 50.00-75.00 for it honestly. It's a neat pack if real, but when I buy packs like this, the appeal of the cards on top play in a big part in it for me...
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Sandberg and Boggs are in the correct sections at least, but tough to assess authenticity by a scan.
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First opinion, I think $400 is a fair price for an 83 double HOF front showing rack.
Secondly and I hate to disagree with Tim but since we are in the 80s I will take a shot and do so respectfully and try to provide very detailed rationale.
I actually think both Boggs and Sandberg are both in the wrong sections unless the whole pack is flipped. That does rarely happen but in itself is enough of a red flag for me to steer clear of buying the rack. Upon further inspection Sandberg is a B sheet card and Joe Simpson is a D sheet card which both appear in the header section. I actually think both cards are wrong as the header should be E and F sheet cards, but even if the rack was flipped they should then be A and B sheet cards. B and D is not an option. Likewise the Boggs and Nettles cards shouldn't be in the same section yet are.
I think price is good but pack is not, stay away.
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Good point, Ryan..I was on my smart phone when I read this thread and didn't see the cards on the back of the rack but the cards in each cell should all be from some pair of sheets (A/B, C/D or E/F). So with Simpson being from the D sheet, that card should be in the middle section regardless of whether the rack is A/B, C/D or E/F or E/F, C/D or A/B. Same goes for Nettles Super Vet card. You are also correct in stating that standard collation for 1983 Topps baseball is the reverse of what Topps used in late 70s and 1980 in that cards from the header card are typically from E/F sheets with cards from C/D sheets in the middle section and cards from A/B sheets in the far section (from 1978, when Topps first switched sheet designation from asterisks to letters, through 1980, Topps packaged rack packs with A/B cards in header section, C/D cards in middle section and E/F cards in the far section).
However, even if the rack were authentic, I would still say that $400 is a bit steep of a price for this rack, though I am admittedly not an avid collector of mid 80s product. You can get a 1980 rack with Henderson on top for less than that. Same with a 79 rack with Ozzie on top. I believe an 82 rack with Ripken on top can be purchased for less than $200, also, so even with two HOF rookies on top, I'd say the value of a rack with Boggs and Sandberg on top is closer to $300 than $400. JMO.
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In June, I picked up an 82T rack with Ripken on top for 120 bucks.
Good discussion.
I would rather just be patient and buy both in PSA 9 for a total of about $40. That would give me $360 to buy something else.
you know who made a number of these 80s racks and cellos...even better for him since at the time no one authenticated these racks.
Your theory is correct but the pack/rack collectors don't usually collect to rip and grade.
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I was thinking the same thing - kinda like apples and oranges.
I wouldn't mind having - if real - 2 HOF RCs on top for display - but as I said before - 400 clams would be a bit out of my range.
Ok good Tim and I agree horrible rack as far as authenticity goes. I still seem to be the only one wiling to pay close to $400 for it so let me pose some pricing thoughts to see if I can sway anyone's opinion.
First of all totally agree both cards are likely PSA 8 at best if you'd open and submit so that's clearly a losing proposition. I also think the value is in keeping the rack unopened so I wouldn't be foolish enough to buy it and open it.
Second, totally agree you can get a Henderson showing front or even 2 Ripken RC racks for less than $400.
Where this rack differs and is special is that it has 2 HOFs showing on top. You can look at past sales of 1978 Molitor and Murray showing racks to see that the price for a combined showing rack is worth a multiple of two individual racks with each one showing.
Hers the math behind why.... The probability of finding a 1983 HOF showing pack is 2.3 in 100 or 1.15 in 100 of a front showing HOF RC of either Boggs, Gwynn or Sandberg. The probability of finding a 2 HOF RC showing rack goes to 3.5 in 10,000 and again 2 front showing RCs at half of that. So less than 2 packs per 10,000 making these very rare indeed.
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The pack seems very suspect to me... while 83 had more anomalies than previous years with how sheets were packaged together, this has way too many red flags for my liking. Even if it was legit, I would only value a pack with those 2 HOFers around $125-$150... which is probably double what two racks with each on it would bring.
Rtimmer, stay away if you want authentic. I've been burned on those in the past...I got caught up in the same attraction as you did...waste of money. I'm about 95 percent certain.
agreed--I was trying to be more subtle by not mentioning who know who's name
I would stay away especially if you are cracking them out for grades. Cool item to have with a pair of HOF's showing if legit. I love packs with HOF showing
Yes clearly I would never consider buying this rack especially after pointing out the many reasons why I thought it was a fake, actually I'm not sure why you'd think I would.
I was just saying if it were real or a real one came to market it would sell somewhere near $400. You have to remember in a year when a Molitor PSA 9 cello a combo Molitor and Murray PSA 9 cello sold for 5.5 times more. I think we can extrapolate the two situations reasonably. That would mean if you'd pay $72 for a Gwynn front showing BBCE rack then a combo rack would be worth $400.
Just my 2 cents, if you have one to sell look me up I'm interested, I don't think I have an alterior motive because I don't have a Topps one to sell, but in full disclosure I do have a couple Fleer 1983 double HOFs showing racks.
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A PSA 9 78 cello with Molitor on top retails for about $350, but I would not expect one with Molitor on top & Murray on back to sell for close to 2K. Closer to 1K, maybe, if it were an authentic pack.
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