Is this a Special Strike 1964?
Fee316
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I bought rolls at bank and this unbelievably smooth mirror shine reddish copper 3.1 gram penny rolled out. Is this worth grading or selling to a coin shop? Is it even valuable?
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Sorry, not a special strike. It's not worth much.
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How do you tell it's a ss? What are they worth?
Using these photos from Google.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
Here is some info on the value of the coin. Also notice the population of these coins. pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/3284
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
@1Mike1 ... Great pictures... Fee316 is a new collector and has been learning a lot by posting coins she has questions about... Cheers, RickO
Fee316, are you building a collection of Lincoln's? Do you have an album or are you collecting whatever comes your way?
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
I'm sure I have a SMS Strike. Seriously. I just admitted to free appraisal with Heritage Auctions. They'll let me know. I have one with the dots, one novel Lincolns head on reverse, below date. Above BE in liberty, defined 18 steps, not mirrored but exactly same markings as others on PCGS and Heritage, dots around E Plauribus Unum, and defined letters, reddish tone. I'm trying not to get excited but I truly feel its a special strike
Mike I'm building a collection like I said in previous post I have really bad ADD so I've spent hundreds if dollars on pennies and will go through them one time to separate older and newer. I check 2003-2017 for errors then send those back. I will check others as I go if they're immediately a obvious rarity pr error I want to look at the others I pit on aside or if they're rare in separate container to go back to look. I have I know some good ones I just have 20 things always going on aND I keep buying pennies instead of going through older ones. I have a lot sitting on two huge containers. I'm going to separate ones that go back to bank. Keep all copper ones just because it will add up over time, then submit any to sell and keep also rest for a great collection. I'm trying to eventually sell I don't aquire to keep forever or anything I also collect antiques and am waiting to see if I found a Toulouse-Lautrec original color lithograph late 18th century. I also sell my own wearable art and home decor and am a licensed Esthetician and mom of 6 year old twins...so getting sidetracked is easy 4 me hehe. I have learned though not to get too excited cause it is a bummer to think u have something special and it doesn't pan out that way.
Nope. Part of the normal range of appearance of coinage.
BTW -- The so-called "1964 SMS" appear to be nothing more than very early pieces off new dies. This is consistent with examples in the Smithsonian.
She has the "Coin Bug",
Keep searching Fee, you will find them!
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Not seeing the diagnostics
Well I will see what Heritage Auctions says. I think I'm right from examples on PCGS which you guys seem to think all coins will be a Grade 67 plus but no I'm right. Go look at pcgs grades 1964 sms. It has intentional damaged look and then said it has vertical hurried dragging look which mine does. Look at bottom of eye too in example that was posted of Heritage Auctions that impressioned damage or whatever is exactly on mine too. You guys honestly I've never read an entry where anyone has said that a person has a coin that's valuable lol its always "nope". Dont be mad y'all.I'll wait for Heritage Auctions but I'm positive by description thst it is the sms. I am also submitting a 1961 and a 1961 D both in mint condition to get graded by Heritage too. I didn't think they were valuable but on YouTube I saw a video where a guy said if they're in mint condition they can be pretty valuable. I'll post pics on separate thread.
Look at the Heritage Auction examples and show me your pics of 1964 proof thst has these same exact markings. It was intentional to have the drag damaged look to them and mine is exactly where they areas are, same type of "damage " same dots in places, dot over Lincolns head, 18 defined steps, squared rim, not mirror or dull but a frosted look. It's it. I'm telling you. So anyone want to post pics of their 1964 with same markings by all means I'm here to look at. I'll wait....
Chris clean the cynicism out of your eyes first then you'll see it.
Besides the obvious (doesn't have the "look," mushy in the devices) did you see one of the diagnostics @1mike1 posted? (Look between the 2nd & 3rd pillars and 4th & 5th pillars. You don't have it.)
You don't even have the general "striations" in the fields.
P.s. those random dots you have arrows to are not diagnostics for an sms. You don't even have the general "striations" in the fields.
Believe me, no cynicism (would have no reason for it, in fact it would be better for the general hobby if you did locate one. Heritage will let you know that the coin is not valuable.
Yes I do and this is the sms. So post a proof penny or uncirculated with those on there please. Also the 18 defined steps. The dot above Lincolns head. Wheres the pics? Heritage will say either way but to say that they'll tell me that is not of value us just silly. You're not a professional and to say those aren't the same in pics I'll compare and do side by side of all along with written description of what should be on sms.
You said you were a bit "ADD" so take the medicine and relax. Like I said already, you dont even have the general striations (because it's not an sms.) There is a reason why no one here thinks it's one (because it's not.)
You only have pics I posted to go by not the others and to think you are more informed than articles of authors who run the websites you quote is ridiculous. How can you know what everyone is saying which you all band together and will all say they agree with you, truse me I've been on forums long enough to know this much. You seem jealous or one of those who feel anyone who finds one should be someone who's "put in their dues" or someone who isn't a girl who just strated collecting. You're angry about the whole thing lol. Like it annoys you that my arrows pointing to "dots " could possibly be true so you throw around the word striations to sound like you know what you're talking about. I know men just like you. You all can think what you want. I know what I see in person, under magnification and already knew b4 I posted what you all would say so please enough with the hurt ego issues and you are yhe one who needs to relax. I'm perfectly fine cause I think I just found a sms strike penny.
Oh and I only posted one pic on this forum of the reverse and it's not close up of the side that Mikes pics are so how can you even say it's not on there. Silly. I'll do side by side. They'll all be up by midnight I have errands to run but they'll be posted when I get back home. Along with text from articles describing what should be on there.
Well Fee if your certain of item why dont you spend $$ and send to PCGs or NGC and get it certified .
Oh I will Giants Fan once I hear back from Heritage and after I let a local coin shop look at it next week. I'm certain it is but I find it amazing that people say they're certain it's not by the few pics I chose to post. From what I've read and compared to mine it is it. I feel it is and would say if I felt it was different than mine. They're are grades 65 - 67 on pcgs and one 68 posted on a site that brokered the deal of new owner. I feel it is and don't worry I will have it graded for sure.
A perfectly normal coin. The Mint used to make better coinage for circulation than it does now. This is one of them.
WOW! I'm stunned.
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I'll look forward to my apology when the "experts" tell you the same thing.
Usually not this much hostility with others when they ask if they have something "special." It's just reflects the people we/you are. I don't understand why you would be so upset.
You Have to at least give her credit for the passion she has. Not too many people have the patients to roll search for errors like that. That being said, she has to also realise that if you ask an opinion here be prepared to get an answer you may not like or agree with.
The coin she posted (at least what we can see in the photos) is a well struck cent that had an easy life, nothing more. And if she sends it in, so be it, its her money. I would wager we wont get an update though. But hey who knows.
Don't be discouraged, just keep looking.
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Same stuff different board/forum. This is what you get if you do not agree with her. You become the bad guy. Giving an honest opinion is a waste of time.
Isn't that silly of her?
She should put in the thread title that she only wants people to agree with her or else face the wrath.
Well this got off track... @Fee316 I would suggest that you get an uncirculated roll of 1964 cents, you should be able to find one for under $10 pretty easily, then you'll have 50 examples to compare against. (and might find a high grade gem in the process)
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Actually I'm woman enough to say when I'm wrong and I was wrong it's not it. Secondly you would of gotten an apology if it weren't for the ADD comment which is sonething that is difficult to have and was kinda low. Lastly I think whoever said you have to agree or else from another forum is that guy who mocked me and someone else for saying we saw writing and got laughed at and then followed me around forum mocking me until one person told u to stop .kinda creepy you followed me here again but whatever. Yes this forum is actually very nice, mature people who encourage and dont mock and and yes I thought I had it and I was wrong but I can take a no I've had plenty on here aND can admit when I'm wrong. Thank you.
So your wrong but instead of issuing an apology to multiple members who tried to politely tell you you decide to get mad at them and blame them instead of apologizing? I am sure they will be happy to help you in the future for that.... not.
Morgan please stop trying to start stuff. I was only addressing one person and of course I apologize to anyone else who was offended or thought I was addressing them. This isn't Real Housewives episode and so stop trying to start drama. I'll apologize to Chris I was just a little upset about a comment. Mind your own business please. Take your drama elsewhere. Thanks. I won't reply back I've said to u all I'm going to say so please do not follow me around forum. Thanks.
I am really looking forward to what you find out Fee, please post the conclusion from the experts at HA.
Why does this trend exist of new collectors thinking they found something valuable that's really worthless and then going into steep denial and becoming abusive when they are given reasonable explanation on why they are wrong? Fee316, no one came here to start anything with you, but some of us have 50+ years of experience dealing with coins, and frankly, we know what we are doing and you do not. I know you feel that you found something valuable, but that feeling neither validates the value of the coin or justifies your responses on this forum. What you have is a normal 1964 cent in low uncirculated quality, nothing more.
Get your facts straight. I did not mock you and I never have. You are thinking of someone else. I did not follow you here. I have been here for 16 years. Don't blame others for your problems. In this case, you created the problem.
Human nature.
Also happens at shows and shops often enough. I'm sure I was probably close to that description as a kid when I started out, but did not become abusive to the more knowledgeable person's face (just under my breath, behind their back - until I learned they were right).
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"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
I deal with folks who find errors and other
rare varieties, for over 45++ years.
Although there are rare exceptions to everything,
the most pertinent fact for this 1964 Cent is that
none of them have ever been found in circulation.
All of the known sets and even singles have pedigrees
from someone who got them from an 'inside' or
working source at the Mint, and they simply did not
circulate.
Fee, don't give up!
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
You ASKED for it with your rudeness.
Now, if you truly apologise, then I am good enough to give a second chance. Just remember, people are trying to help but that can quickly stop when there is attitude. Everyone else is always courteous when there are different opinions, and you should be the same. We prefer the boards to be peaceful and informative.
Nothing wrong with the passion of the hunt, and I hope she continues her search, but as Fred said (an expert) you have a better chance at winning powerball when it comes to finding a 1964 sms roll searching. However, there are plenty of other varieties and rarities that you can find out there in the "wild."
Chris I don't need a lecture or even want to get into it with you again. Your condescending reply as if im supposed to beg for forgiveness aND you might give me a 2nd chance? Lol. Yeah I don't think so. You actually started snarky attitude first after my sarcastic( i thought funny) reply and I have tons to do other than argue on coin forums so excuse me but this is my last post on this thread. If i were you I'd probably just skip my questions from now on to avoid drama and conflict cause I've gotten replies from 2 angry boys who are so dramatic that I really can't listen to this anymore. I said all I'm going to say about this subject . If no one chooses to answer my future questions, I'm content with that, my life will go on. Hopefully most on here know I wasn't addressing them and can understand I made a mistake, i came back to tell you i was wrong,and that's that. Im moving on to the next roll and i keep it moving. On the scale of life's important issues and problems this tiny episode is at the bottom of the totem pole. Okay I'm out . Have a good one y'all.
"....she can tell ya about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye..."
@Fee316 I wish you plenty of luck (going to need it apparently.)
No need to further elaborate since everyone can see what "level" you're on.
FEE or FELiCiA Also failed chat 101 by posting her "REAL ?" photo here and elsewhere.
Ugh.
While it's great that you admitted that you were wrong, that doesn't fix the real issue that people are having here. The problem is your initial and extremely defensive reaction.
It is not an accident that the number of people reacting negatively to you vastly outnumber those who are in agreement with you (nobody, I think). When that happens, in all likelihood your behavior is the problem. When people retaliate to your behavior with similar negativity, you cannot justifiably play victim. What you're doing is called instigation.