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19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭

I've run across a couple of misattributed IKE's on eBay that could turn out to be pricey varieties.

What would you Do?

I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



The name is LEE!

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Buy 'em and have reattributed...if I was certain.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It can go the other way too. I remember seeing an 1838 dime in a PCGS holder that was marked "Small Stars" which brings a premium for the variety. It was the "Large Stars" variety which is worth less. The dealer still wanted the premium price, however, so like everything else, you have check the varieties.

    Last Saturday a dealer had an 1923 Peace Dollar in a PCGS holder that was marked 1928. That was one those mechanical errors, but once again don't take things granted.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You take your chances. It's the gambler in you.

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    Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones That Peace Dollar mechanical error sounds pretty interesting? Was he selling it for the 28 price?

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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Recently Great Collections had a 1912 Liberty Nickel, that the PCGS cert verification showed as a 1912-S. Coin was MS63. Would have been a real cheap registry upgrade.

    Instead I let them know, and they had PCGS fix it.

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Peace_dollar88 said:
    @BillJones That Peace Dollar mechanical error sounds pretty interesting? Was he selling it for the 28 price?

    I didn't ask what he wanted. He had out in the front of a case by itself. My impression was that he was selling it for less than a real 1928 as an "error slab."

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    GoBustGoBust Posts: 605 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pcgs will always fix for free as mechanical error. They are very superb at correcting inadvertant mistakes in my experience

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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS grades a tremendous number of coins, and on very rare occasions they miss on an attribution. I would return the coin to them with appropriate pictures noting why you believe the variety should be something different. In my experience, if PCGS made a mistake they will almost always correct it. Kudos to them, as this is a good way of doing business.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭

    @GoBust said:
    Pcgs will always fix for free as mechanical error. They are very superb at correcting inadvertant mistakes in my experience

    What is "very superb"?

    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭

    @RichieURich said:
    PCGS grades a tremendous number of coins, and on very rare occasions they miss on an attribution. I would return the coin to them with appropriate pictures noting why you believe the variety should be something different. In my experience, if PCGS made a mistake they will almost always correct it. Kudos to them, as this is a good way of doing business.

    I do not own these coins which are the same date and the exact same misattribution. The seller, even though cautioned otherwise, is continuing to sell them as a variety which they are not.

    I have written PCGS regarding this particular variety which was most often misattributed by NCG but, PCGS is now in the loop for misattribution.

    Basically it amounts to a PegLeg R for the IKE Variety while PCGS and NGC are attributing the IKE variety on a Serifed R.

    Not possible since these are "DIE" Varieties and the PegLeg and Serifed R's are different "DIE's".

    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said: "Last Saturday a dealer had an 1923 Peace Dollar in a PCGS holder that was marked 1928. That was one those mechanical errors, but once again don't take things granted."

    This kind of "stunt" is often done by "little-minded" dealers who like to demonstrate how much "better" they are than the TPGS's.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only problem is if it is a rare variety they will not pay up if Misattributed! They do not Guarantee Variety Misattribution.

    @RichieURich said:
    PCGS grades a tremendous number of coins, and on very rare occasions they miss on an attribution. I would return the coin to them with appropriate pictures noting why you believe the variety should be something different. In my experience, if PCGS made a mistake they will almost always correct it. Kudos to them, as this is a good way of doing business.

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    MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GoBust said:
    Pcgs will always fix for free as mechanical error. They are very superb at correcting inadvertant mistakes in my experience

    Not my experience at all. They missed a variety attribution for me early this year. After 5 months of contacting customer support trying to get it fixed the “helpful” customer service rep had my order shipped back with no fix. I was provided with the email address for the president of operations who has yet to respond, two weeks later. I offered to show them exactly what the pick up points were and how my coin is exactly the variety I requested they attribute. This is an easy variety, Trade Dollar, not a modern.

    Not sure what else to do...other than complain on this message board. The people who answer the phone are clueless and the people who could actually do something don’t respond.

    If anyone at PCGS is listening....help!

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    MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RichieURich said:
    PCGS grades a tremendous number of coins, and on very rare occasions they miss on an attribution. I would return the coin to them with appropriate pictures noting why you believe the variety should be something different. In my experience, if PCGS made a mistake they will almost always correct it. Kudos to them, as this is a good way of doing business.

    I’ve had 5 bad attributions in the past year, on 6 total orders. That’s not rare. Maybe they just don’t know their Trade Dollars now, but they used to nail it every time. At least PCGS fixed all but one of them quickly for me, when I pointed out the mistakes.

    Does anyone know someone at PCGS who can actually help? I’ve run into too many brick walls. I’d love for them to just get these right and I’m more than willing to help if they’re open to it.

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have had many misattribution errors corrected in the last several years. Each time I wrote to PCGS in advance for instructions on how to proceed.

    Alma (Stephanie) S. Zamarripa AZamarripa@collectors.com handled most of them. She provided explicit instructions, along with shipping labels, and every misattributed coin was corrected painlessly and at no cost to me.

    The only bummer I experienced (and understood ahead of time) was losing CAC stickers and OGH's. I believe CAC is good about restickering if proper documentation and images are provided them.

    As for OP's question, if the price is right and i like and need the misattributed coin then I'll buy it and get it fixed.
    Lance.

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    MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Lance, I’ll give this a try.

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