Catch-22
keithdagen
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PCGS Set Registry Forum --
For discussions about PCGS registry sets - building them, buying them, selling them, collecting them.
What does that mean???
Over the last few days, there has been a lot of discussion about what is and what is not appropriate as far as offering coins on this specific board. For Registrants (or whatever you want to call us), this is our home.
We want to know when quality coins are made available, yet we get frustrated by posters who take advantage of that and contribute nothing else to the board. Yet, the other side of the coin is that not all Registry collectors look to these boards, and may seek their coins out on other mediums, such as E-Bay, or to a lesser extent, Teletrade. (Fess up, we've all bought from them at least once.
) If that is the case, direct offerings here may not be to the benefit of the seller.
Some questions:
1. What kinds of advertisements should be appropriate on this board (link to BST, link to E-Bay, link to Teletrade, direct offering with no pricing, direct offering with pricing, board auction, some of the above, none of the above)?
2. How should new posters, or infrequent posters, be made aware of these issues.
3. Should we have the charter above changed to reflect the current views of the board.
For now, as a courtesy to all, let's keep the discussion on this thread, come up with a consensus, and then figure out how to go forward.
For discussions about PCGS registry sets - building them, buying them, selling them, collecting them.
What does that mean???
Over the last few days, there has been a lot of discussion about what is and what is not appropriate as far as offering coins on this specific board. For Registrants (or whatever you want to call us), this is our home.
We want to know when quality coins are made available, yet we get frustrated by posters who take advantage of that and contribute nothing else to the board. Yet, the other side of the coin is that not all Registry collectors look to these boards, and may seek their coins out on other mediums, such as E-Bay, or to a lesser extent, Teletrade. (Fess up, we've all bought from them at least once.
) If that is the case, direct offerings here may not be to the benefit of the seller.Some questions:
1. What kinds of advertisements should be appropriate on this board (link to BST, link to E-Bay, link to Teletrade, direct offering with no pricing, direct offering with pricing, board auction, some of the above, none of the above)?
2. How should new posters, or infrequent posters, be made aware of these issues.
3. Should we have the charter above changed to reflect the current views of the board.
For now, as a courtesy to all, let's keep the discussion on this thread, come up with a consensus, and then figure out how to go forward.
Keith ™
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That brings up the question of "what constitutes Registry quality."
My personal opinion is that all is good. I personally do not prefer Teletrade, and for the most part, will not purchase coins offered through that medium (high fees, lack of pictures, bogus descriptions). I like E-Bay, and don't mind seeing stuff there. I like direct offers or the BST, but stuff gets lost on the BST very easily. And for all postings, I like a firm asking price. If you know what price you want for the piece, make an offer seems a copout.
In any case, whatever rules are adopted, one needs a mechanism for enforcing them: who is going to do that, what are they going to do, and how are they going to do it? That's probably the hard part.
Additionally, as we have had some great fun, and edification discussing the PO-01 reg. sets established by more than one of our members, I feel they are a part of our family.
Also, I think a single coin can be a beginning registry set, no matter the collectors definition of completion. (Since there are not "year sets" as of yet, is it harmful for a collector of this type to have one coin mentioned in each series of that year?)
Finally, in my opinion, the only new rule we should establish is no more discussion of rules. Go to the open forum with it, or deluge BJ.
Some people have expressed concern, and I figure that it is better to have a thread to talk about it rather than discussing it within the post of someone trying to make a sale.
Seriously, I don't understand why posting a link to an eBay auction is worse -- in fact I think it's much better -- than offering something "directly" here via a "PM me with offers" bogus pseudo-auction (my personal pet peeve).
And if you outlaw all sales/advertising, you are going to be hurting collectors primarily, as they are less likely to have the volume of a dealer who can afford to advertise or sell coins elsewhere. You'll drive those hapless collectors right into the dealers' clutches.
I've really seen very little that rises to any major level of abuse, which to me is someone whose primary contribution to the forum is advertisements. That kind of abuser is likely to be a dealer, and some polite posts noting that that isn't welcome and is costing them potential customers will likely cause a change in behavior, similar to changes made by dealers here in the past. Dealers are pragmatic if nothing else.
A final point, it's a hobby, relax! And on that note I will take my own advice and head off camping with the kids. Have a good weekend, don't chew each other up.
I shortened the title from this Tad.
09/07/2006
In the title put xxx for sale on xxx or xxxx site.
For example.... 2002 PCGS MS-69 Cent on TeleTrade
This way I see TeleTrade and I won't even open....
Whada ya think?
Rusty.
Sean
I've been trying to figure this one out for quite a while now. Unless the coin is to be "flipped" from the sale here, to someone else on our forum, I don't see the big deal. just mho.
The kicker is that I leave for vacation very soon and just really get to egg on the chaos, and probably miss a lot of the fireworks.
My take -- every coin has a price, why not be up front about it. Heritage has coins ranging from $25 to $112,500 currently available on their website. Not a single one is listed as "Accepting Offers" or "E-Mail for Details." An experienced seller knows exactly what price they are willing to sell a coin for. Why not let other people know as well.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
This is our hobby!!!
It is suppose to be fun!!
I stopped surfing in my early 20's because I couldn't stand to see people fighting over something that was suppose to be fun. I never dreamed I might consider the same over this hobby.
peacockcoins
How sad for us.
ritchie
For some life lasts a short while, but the memories it holds last forever.
-Laura Swenson
In memory of BL, SM, and KG. 16 and forever young, rest in peace.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
maybe that's because it hasn't been abused much.
I don't read the B, S, T - Coins board because it contains too much stuff
I'm not interested in. Usually (I assume) if it's a really nice coin it will
show up here.
How about if people only post highest graded, mint state Ikes?
What about posts regarding ebay auctions that aren't mine (i.e.
what you think of this grade, what do you think this will sell for,
does that toning look artificial) ? This sort of opens the door for
members posting links for other members and all sorts of
shenanigans (sp?).
I guess I'm pretty laissez faire.
-KHayse
I think that sums up a great deal. When you implement a project, it's always critical to look back and see if the result continues to meet your needs. Some feel that the advertisement kind of posts may be cluttering the board excessively. If so, we need to reevaluate whether those posts are a good idea.
I think it was a good idea to start a seperate thread for this topic...Good idea! I know I had just posted a link a week or so ago for a Washington 25c I was listing on Ebay. It was a ms67 and I felt there was a few members here looking for one. I did spell out the coin,year and that it was on e-bay. Like it was said eairlier... you can read the topic and either click on it to read further or move on. I for one have noticed as stated before that there is such a game on the BS&T forum that a topic can be gone to the second page in a matter of hours. Also we have member of all ages and wages to keep in mind. One thing I noticed over there is that so many posts slamming or trash talking what someone is offering or their prices. This is a couple reasons I really do not care to post very many on the BS&T board.
As for Teletrade I think you said it well enough for me. I feel that any coin slabbed by PCGS is a coin that could go into any registry set, no matter the grade. With that said there is an invisible line drawn in the sand that seperates our concept of Registry set coins. It is very apparent from watching ebay auctions and others that an ms66 grade would be the lowest/acceptable coin to purchase, unless we are talking early 19th century. Actually ms67 is more the norm and most of us skip over any other coins looking for the most highest grade. IMHO I feel this is well felt/know and keeps most of the normal posts for BS&T over there in that very same forum.
We are gaining new members all the time and as pointed out earlier in this thread, what would be the best way to handle this without a moderator. I think a small outline on the first page of each forum should give some guidelines as to what its intended purpose is meant/established for. What do you think?.... Add or take away something from this idea. It could help to have a clear "Statement of use".
Have a great weekend all
Ken
My Washington Type B/C Set
kieth spoke about rules or something to that effect. why not get settled on what is appropriate in the way of posting for each forum and have that as a non-reply thread at the top of the page. any new member would surely see it and most likely read it. it could also be viewed readily by all and edited by our administrator. all that remains are the rules.
is it possible to have an icon of some sort on the thread page that would indicate that a particular thread has a link attached to it? if that's not your cup of tea, you could avoid it with no inconvenience.
it gets in the way is that you can't tell till you open it that it's not of interest to you. I like
the idea of using a prefix or something to warn you it's just an auction (and which one).
People still get to advertise and shop and those who aren't interested can ignore it.