@golden said:
As I was making the rounds of the recent CSNS show I came to the table of a dealer from the left coast. There were 2 or 3 guys behind the table including a young dealer. I saw an interesting coin and asked the young guy the price. He turned to the backup table and looked at an inventory sheet and then said " That is a very expensive coin ". I had to really,really restrain myself from saying that I could purchase every coin in his case. I then repeated very strongly " How much is it? ". He said $1650. That is about 4 times the PCGS price guide and it was not even nice. I moved on around the floor.
I remember seeing this guy at the FUN show. He was very hyper and pushy. If you are going to judge customers by how much money you think that they have you might not be successful . I will remember this guy and not stop at his table again.
When I go to a coin show it is a blue jean day and my shirt tail hanging out.
@BIGAL2749 said:
This thread reminds me how as a young family with two young girls 4 and 5 the reception we got furniture and car shopping.
Didn't get upset with the furniture salesman who told us we could buy a $180 kitchen set on time since we all have different size checkbooks.
Was annoyed in a high end furniture store when none of the "interior decorators" came over (store was empty) but the owner did and gave us a tour of both floors of furniture.
I knew he was the owner since my father had just completed a major addition to his home and also knew my mother shared the same cleaning lady.
I didn't have the opportunity to bring up either facts and he may very well have thought we couldn't his inventory but pretty sure those ladies got the message that all customers walking into the store were to be shown around the store.
Most annoying memory was a car dealer who told me "he could tell when we walked in that saving some money was very important to us" and proceeded to steer us to a year old model that was fully equipped. I refused to deal with him on my second trip a few weeks later.
After negotiating the purchase of a new car my 6 yr old daughter asked me as we were walking outside what the manager who was a foot taller than myself meant when he said "he wanted to be just like me when he grow up". That was his response when I answered "none" to his question of who would be the lien holder of the new car.
Should have worked with the first salesman. You drove off the lot and the value of your new ride plummeted. I always let the first owner take the hit in depreciation.
"Never tell a car dealer you'll be paying cash until after you've negotiated the price. You'll wrangle a better deal if he thinks he'll make up the money through financing."
--- Lincoln Vanderblatt
I appreciate the irritation, but I choose not to let these types of encounters bother me. There are many dealers who are courteous and want my business. Deal with them and focus on the positive.
Seated Half Society member #38 "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
I generally attend shows looking like a bum. T-shirt, ratty jeans or jean shorts, old college logoed backpack, and often not shaven. Heck, I don't clean up that well anyway. I never want to bring any attention towards me when I may be carrying substantial value. With that said, I have never felt that a dealer treated me different due to my appearance.
Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia
@SaorAlba said:
If you see me at a show I will be the one speaking Russian with my two Natasha bodyguards. I usually dress scruffy so I blend in with all you others. I may not look like I have enough to spend on coins, but if I can afford bodyguards I can also afford your coins.
An authentic Patek-Philippe is a "tell" for serious dealers. Shiny newer models get higher quotes than well-worn classics, which imply insouciance and staying power.
How about a nice, vintage Omega?
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Should have worked with the first salesman. You drove off the lot and the value of your new ride plummeted. I always let the first owner take the hit in depreciation.
Some of us like buying new, not getting someone else's problems, and will buy cars that do relatively well at holding their values.
To each, their own. I think the point that bigal was making was that it wasn't the salesperson's job to tell him what to get....but rather to sell him what he wanted.
I once had a dealer at as show give me a funny look and shooshed me away. I was insulted, but happy that I now had a bad experience I could forever post on message boards. I found out later at the show that he was just lactose intolerant.
I think the only time I was told, "it's really expensive", was from a dealer I know quite well, have dealt with in the past, and who knows my "range". He was right....I wouldn't have bought it anyway.
Essentially, I got confused....Should have been looking for an AU, instead of this MS-63, and should have known it was out of my range....and he was being helpful!!
There was a dealer at the ANA show a couple years back, who had a very discrete way of handling this. His cases had a small sign in the corner "Coins over $50,000" "Coins $100-500" and such.
They were happy to show me anything, but it was clear which cases were in and out of budget without having to pass judgement either way.
And there was the dealer when asked for a DOG said, "Oh, WE don't have anything like THAT... you need to go over two aisles and see my friend such-and-such".
And the dealer who was too busy to help me on an empty bourse. And when asked by his wife (pretended not to hear me), sniffed "I don't sell slabbed coins". Two years later, everything is in his case is slabbed. And I still ignore him.
And people like the Colonel (I shan't name which one), who had nothing better to do on a quiet Friday morning than spend half an hour BSing with me. I did buy a $100 coin for my grade set, and he was happy to take my money, but he was just as happy to talk.
And the dealer who let me visit "my" coin six times during the show before I finally bought it. Even joked about it "visiting your coin again?".
So we remember the good ones (and buy from them again) AND we remember the bad ones and ignore them time and time again.
I learned how to bear grudges from two Calico cats... 'nuf said.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
I do not judge people by how they dress, or how they look, but I do judge them by what they say. That I cannot help.
I would never defend this dealers actions because he was asked a question and he should answer it without fanfare. However, I can say that there are many times that when the first thing out of person's mouth is "how much is it" and not, can "I see it" they do lose some credibility with me. Quality first, price second.
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I like to show up dressed to the nines and then after 15 minutes of my butt being kissed, buy a 3 dollar coin out of the junk box.
When I go to a coin show it is a blue jean day and my shirt tail hanging out.
Should have worked with the first salesman. You drove off the lot and the value of your new ride plummeted. I always let the first owner take the hit in depreciation.
I hope you demanded a discount too.
"Never tell a car dealer you'll be paying cash until after you've negotiated the price. You'll wrangle a better deal if he thinks he'll make up the money through financing."
--- Lincoln Vanderblatt
I appreciate the irritation, but I choose not to let these types of encounters bother me. There are many dealers who are courteous and want my business. Deal with them and focus on the positive.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
There are many jerks in the way of a good hobby.
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I generally attend shows looking like a bum. T-shirt, ratty jeans or jean shorts, old college logoed backpack, and often not shaven. Heck, I don't clean up that well anyway. I never want to bring any attention towards me when I may be carrying substantial value. With that said, I have never felt that a dealer treated me different due to my appearance.
Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia
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How about a nice, vintage Omega?
Some of us like buying new, not getting someone else's problems, and will buy cars that do relatively well at holding their values.
To each, their own. I think the point that bigal was making was that it wasn't the salesperson's job to tell him what to get....but rather to sell him what he wanted.
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I once had a dealer at as show give me a funny look and shooshed me away. I was insulted, but happy that I now had a bad experience I could forever post on message boards. I found out later at the show that he was just lactose intolerant.
I think the only time I was told, "it's really expensive", was from a dealer I know quite well, have dealt with in the past, and who knows my "range". He was right....I wouldn't have bought it anyway.
Essentially, I got confused....Should have been looking for an AU, instead of this MS-63, and should have known it was out of my range....and he was being helpful!!
Context means everything.
There was a dealer at the ANA show a couple years back, who had a very discrete way of handling this. His cases had a small sign in the corner "Coins over $50,000" "Coins $100-500" and such.
They were happy to show me anything, but it was clear which cases were in and out of budget without having to pass judgement either way.
And there was the dealer when asked for a DOG said, "Oh, WE don't have anything like THAT... you need to go over two aisles and see my friend such-and-such".
And the dealer who was too busy to help me on an empty bourse. And when asked by his wife (pretended not to hear me), sniffed "I don't sell slabbed coins". Two years later, everything is in his case is slabbed. And I still ignore him.
And people like the Colonel (I shan't name which one), who had nothing better to do on a quiet Friday morning than spend half an hour BSing with me. I did buy a $100 coin for my grade set, and he was happy to take my money, but he was just as happy to talk.
And the dealer who let me visit "my" coin six times during the show before I finally bought it. Even joked about it "visiting your coin again?".
So we remember the good ones (and buy from them again) AND we remember the bad ones and ignore them time and time again.
I learned how to bear grudges from two Calico cats... 'nuf said.
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
I do not judge people by how they dress, or how they look, but I do judge them by what they say. That I cannot help.
I would never defend this dealers actions because he was asked a question and he should answer it without fanfare. However, I can say that there are many times that when the first thing out of person's mouth is "how much is it" and not, can "I see it" they do lose some credibility with me. Quality first, price second.