Gem Morgan Toner with Stack's Pedigree Insert
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Here's a piece which NGC certified as being from the Stack's collection. Haven't seen too many of these. Anybody know anything about such pieces and do you have others to show?
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Strip away the questionable color and I see a scarface MS64.
Most of there were stored in bags moved from Louisiana to Fed Reserves and didn't naturally turn like that.
Adding provenance from a prominent dealer adds nothing IMO. Maybe Stacks had bags stored in a basement that was flooded by sewer water.
I disagree. If the above silver dollar was a product I'd swear you are a competitor leaving a Yelp review.
Here's some info on The Stack’s West 57th Street Collection.
So the famous Stack's collection had nothing to do with Stacks until dumped for liquidation.
Not that's a pedigree, a term for dogs, and not provenience.
Interesting how the Red Book is facing the wrong way.
Looks like a heckaofa lota fun!!
What a bogus pedigree (certainly not provenience) .
No tie to Stack's prior to liquidation, which is being processed at an offsite location (not 57th Street0
I suggest they ship the lot to Uranus Missouri and market it as the Uranus collection, complete with toning from Uranus!.
That is gorgeous NT and has to be the best coin I've seen in a 57th slab. Most were severely overgraded or problem coins. The ones with active and severe verdigis / PVC infestation boggle the mind.
please educate me on NT. Was the non-uniform toning the result of moisture, air flow or? How do NT onesiders exist?
Check out @poorguy's article Monster Rainbow Toned Morgan Dollars.
IMO that does look "64". For me, toning NT or AT, it's I know it when I see it thing. So I pass or buy depending. What a slab or seller says is just one opinion.
Way to come off like a troll.
I actually have a Morgan in one of those holders, graded a 65+*, and it's very nice in hand.
The pedigree is a neutral thing, neither adds or subtracts. If i'm not sure if it's just me, but the smell of troll, very strong in this thread.
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Thanks - - I've know Brandon Kelly for years. I believe he is now out of the biz living in rural Louisiana - his former Anaconda cohort Adrian Crane is also out of the biz to the best of my knowledge.
The fascination for super toners alludes me. Legend seems to be the current market makers for this stuff.
WIth the proliferation of coin doctors, including the toning experts with their ovens, torches, sulfur products, chemicals and the like, not an area that I would pursue.
If doctoring and alteration are that concerning to you, then you might want to leave numismatics all together as doctoring is rampant in every segment. Putty, smoking, and other processes are used rampantly on collectible gold and some of that is not detectable for a few years after, so I guess gold is out all together. I guess most toners are out for you. Since you worry about chemical treating, you can rule out 99% of the blast white silver coinage pre-1950 as it has likely been dipped. Copper is treacherous as ever. What does that leave other than modern bullion, state quarters, Sacagawea/Presidential dollars, and the like?
Actually moisture and even flooding was a major problem at many Mint/Treasury vaults. Prior to the early 1900s, the Mint also used coal based heating. The elements for toning were all there.
I am confused, why is knowing Brandon Kelly have anything to do with this thread?
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I would agree. Looks at least 65+ all day long. CAC is tough on stickering toner Morgans like this. If craZ4coins wants superb gem coins in 64 holders, then they'll need a time machine to go back to1986-1989 again. It doesn't happen today though....except in very rare circumstances.
gemtone65 that is one nice dollar!!!!!!!!
Very nice Morgan gemtone!
That is a great toner.
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I (and almost everyone else on the board) will buy all of your 64's that look like the above.
Nice coin OP
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For completeness, here is the reverse of this piece. Thanks to all for your replies, especially Zoins for his helpful research on the original source of this coin.
That is an amazing collection and a great looking morgan that the OP has posted, however the "pedigree" on the holder is nothing more than an advertising label for their company.