Two questions about modern errors, error origin tracking and 1982 No P dime.

Icollecteverything

I was under the impression that the 1982 No P dime error was due to a die that had no mintmark added. But I have an 82 Roosie that has a very faint MM. Is the No P dime just a filled die? How about the 22 plain?

I have also been wondering when collectors started tracking where major errors started showing up and pinpointing which banks they were showing up at. I remember when the 83 double die cent was discovered they figured out the main banks where it was being found and dealers were eagerly trying to get new bags of cents from those banks. Did this occur with the 1972 double die cents or the 1955 or even earlier?

oih82w8

My impression was that the die was sans the mint mark...do you have an image available for posting of your "weak" mint mark?

Here is what PCGS (Jaime Hernandez - December 21, 2010) has to say about it;

http://www.pcgs.com/news/the-1982-no-p-mintmark-roosevelt-dime

Icollecteverything

Thanks, that was a good article on the 82 no P plus it talked about how they found out the distribution to cone area where they were found. My faint P dime obviously has nothing to do with that error.
I looked for history of earlier errors but haven't found anything yet.

DCW

Occasionally, you will find missing elements on a coin due to a clogged die or over polishing. This is most likely what happened to your coin and should not carry a premium

PocketArt

Well, In response to your first question- the 1982 no "P" is somewhat of a anomaly to me. It is believed that a mint employee didn't add the "P" above the date. I'm not so certain about this- either there was a marker on the die to indicate to the mint employee where to add the "P," and this was left on the coin without "P," or, the mint employee did in fact leave a "P" but it was weakly struck above date. Either or, there is certainly a "ghosting" of a "P" and I'd like to know why.

The reason I believe this is because I have a 1982 no "P." It appears that there is "ghosting" of a "P" where it should be above the digit "2." I provided pictures to show this, and a link to another 1982 no "P" exhibiting this effect.

Of note, this is the strongly struck variety; not weakly struck. The strong struck have a die crack at the 1 o'clock position between the rim on the obverse, and Roosevelt's head. The coin I have has the die crack.

Here is a link of a strongly struck 1982 no "P" that show similar ghosting. Not the greatest pic of obverse but you can see the "ghosting."

http://rooseveltdimes.net/1982-no-p-roosevelt-dime/

I'd like to know how the no "P" variety was determined- if it was by conclusions drawn by numismatists, or, an admitting by the Philadelphia mint?

There is a "ghosting of the P," how did this happen?

Icollecteverything, is there a die crack at the 1 o'clock position?

oih82w8

PocketArt, my 1982 No P Strong PCGS MS66 does not have your aforementioned (head to rim) die crack at 1:00 o'clock (indicating an Early Die State?).

Here is the link for my coin where you can enlarge to 5757 x 2905 if you want.

http://images.pcgs.com/trueview/28738599

Icollecteverything

Mine does not have the die crack. The two in the date is a little weak and there is some polishing evident in the obverse fields much more on the reverse. The MM is all there just thinner and also weaker at the top.

I have seen other modern coins where the mm or one letter will be "thin" like the y in Liberty on cents.

How was the 22 plain cent created?

PocketArt

@oih82w8 said:
PocketArt, my 1982 No P Strong PCGS MS66 does not have your aforementioned (head to rim) die crack at 1:00 o'clock (indicating an Early Die State?).

Here is the link for my coin where you can enlarge to 5757 x 2905 if you want.

http://images.pcgs.com/trueview/28738599

Very nice 1982 no "P," and I think you're right on mine being a LDS and your's an earlier state. I ran across a good article that discusses the '82 no "P."

http://www.pcgs.com/news/the-1982-no-p-mintmark-roosevelt-dime

PocketArt

@Icollecteverything said:
Mine does not have the die crack. The two in the date is a little weak and there is some polishing evident in the obverse fields much more on the reverse. The MM is all there just thinner and also weaker at the top.

I have seen other modern coins where the mm or one letter will be "thin" like the y in Liberty on cents.

How was the 22 plain cent created?

Here is an interesting read on the 1922 plain- this should help out.

http://www.ebay.com/gds/1922-Plain-No-D-Lincoln-Cent-Very-Confusing-/10000000175710315/g.html

Icollecteverything

Thanks PocketArt, that was a good read on the 22 plain. I knew the general story but that goes into great detail. Always wondered why a filled /severely worn die would be so valuable. Probably a combo of a missing MM and promotion. I bet my Kennedy Half ollar (D completely gone, struck thru grease) is worth very little.