CU random slotted 1986 Fleer Basketball PSA 9 Set Break Going Live Friday 10/7/2016 around 4pm PACIF
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Ok. Thanks everybody who has posted a reply expressing interest in the break. It looks like we have enough interest to try to go forward with the break so I wanted to update this post with more information regarding the break including logistics and the economics of the break. Scans of the set, including large images of the Jordan are still below.
PRICE PER SLOT: $87
SHIPPING: $3 flat for first card, $1 additional for each card with a cap at $5. So if you buy more than three slots shipping for every slot after the third will be free.
NOTE: If you win the Jordan, you will be expected to pay more for shipping. You will pay the actual cost of shipping the card to you via USPS Express Overnight or USPS Registered Mail shipping with full insurance. If you think this is unfair and do not want to pay the extra shipping charges for the Jordan, let me know and I will gladly refund your slot and keep it
If you win the 121 Wilkins or the 132 Checklist you will pay normal shipping charges but you will also have to pay whatever the actual Insurance charge is for your cards.
INSURANCE: For everyone else, insurance will be optional. If you want insurance on your package I will add it to your total. Again, the cost will be the exact USPS charge for insurance that you request.
PAYMENT TERMS: Payment is expected as soon as the break ends, which is defined as when all the slots are claimed. I will update everyone’s total on the official break thread, so please wait for the total before sending payment. Payment is expected via PayPal and will be net to me. PayPal Friends and Family is preferred but if you want PayPal Goods please know that 3% will be added to the total to account for the PayPal fees.
START TIME: The break will start around 4PM Pacific on Friday 10/7/2016 (I get off work around 4 so it may be a little earlier or later). I will create a new thread around this time and once it is up, the break is live and you can begin requesting slots. For maximum inclusion, for the first 24 hours there will be a limit of 2 slots per person. After the first 24 hours and for the next 24 hours, everyone can add two more slots. After 48 hours, you can open as many slots as you desire.
RANDOMIZATION: After the break is paid for by all the participants I will announce a date/time where I will stream a live broadcast of the randomization of the break. I have never live streamed before so I still have to figure out how to work it, but I think I will try to do the live stream on Breakers TV. I will post the link to the broadcast at the time of announcement. Each slot purchased will be assigned a number 1-132 by the order of purchase, this list will be on the first page of the official break page once it goes live. I will try to update as frequently as possible as people are buying their slots. The slot numbers will then be put through the randomizer on Random.org and randomized seven times (lucky number 7 for someone). The seventh randomization will be the official break of the set and each slot will receive the card that matches their spot in the order of that final list.
ECONOMICS OF THE BREAK:
These are the VCP AVG values of every card in the break as of 10/3/2016. The total value of these cards is $11,007.83 for an average of $83.39. The mark up on this break is minimal as I believe I have seen averages between 15-25% for similar breaks.
Please note that there is one card missing from the set: Maurice Lucas. If you win the slot associated with #66 Maurice Lucas, that card will be replaced with a Dominique Wilkins PSA 9 Sticker. In this case the sticker is more valuable than the card it is replacing.
66 Maurice Lucas --> Replaced with Dominique Wilkins PSA 9 Sticker
1 Abdul-Jabbar 123.55
2 Adams 94.04
3 Aguirre 29.32
4 Ainge 26.86
5 Bagley 23.9
6 Bailey 20.1
7 Barkley 239.57
8 Benjamin 25.04
9 Bird 89.06
10 Birdsong 37.08
11 Blackman 99.44
12 Bol 37.47
13 Bowie 16.5
14 Carroll 11.44
15 Chambers 14.37
16 Cheeks 18.14
17 M. Cooper 14.62
18 W. Cooper 15.61
19 P. Cummings 20.29
20 T. Cummings 14.28
21 Dantley 25.31
22 B. Davis 38.25
23 W. Davis 16.48
24 Dawkins 18.39
25 Drew 11.79
26 Drexler 73.37
27 Dumars 34.5
28 Eaton 18.12
29 Edwards 13.94
30 English 16.15
31 Erving 38.07
32 Ewing 183.18
33 Fleming 27.82
34 Floyd 14.88
35 Free 15.25
36 Gervin 13.4
37 Gilmore 13.08
38 Gminski 14.04
39 R. Green 15.3
40 S. Green 14.65
41 Greenwood 13.43
42 Griffith 17.28
43 Hanzlik 18.89
44 Harper 46.97
45 Henderson 16.81
46 Hinson 11.91
47 Hodges 12.47
48 Hubbard 12.7
49 Humphries 15.02
50 D. Johnson 16.5
51 E. Johnson 14.49
52 F. Johnson 15.15
53 Mag. Johnson 72.12
54 Mar. Johnson 37.31
55 S. Johnson 96.81
56 V. Johnson 44.9
57 Jordan 5142.19
58 Kellogg 14.6
59 A. King 11.82
60 B. King 24.25
61 Laimbeer 20.61
62 Leavell 13.76
63 Lever 13.9
64 Lister 15.25
65 Lloyd 100.13
66 Lucas REPLACED WITH DOMINIQUE WILKINS STICKER
67 J. Malone 94.37
68 K. Malone 159.69
69 M. Malone 16.69
70 Maxwell 14.68
71 McCray 14.93
72 McDaniel 14.03
73 McHale 24.87
74 Mitchell 13.78
75 Moncrief 16.64
76 Moore 150.81
77 Mullin 253
78 Nance 24.03
79 Natt 13.46
80 Nixon 13.24
81 Oakley 15.72
82 Olajuwon 165.11
83 Orr 12.98
84 Parrish 22.18
85 Paxson 16.31
86 Perkins 16.78
87 Pierce 20.92
88 Pressey 46.44
89 Rambis 28.18
90 Reid 12.61
91 Rivers 15.67
92 Robertson 13.17
93 Robinson 12.04
94 Rollins 12.53
95 Roundfield 11.89
96 Ruland 14.55
97 Sampson 24.2
98 Schayes 15.8
99 Scott 79.91
100 Short 25.98
101 Sichting 15.29
102 Sikma 10.86
103 D. Smith 12.41
104 L. Smith 15.44
105 Sparrow 11.96
106 Stipanovich 13.36
107 Teagle 16.96
108 Theus 15.75
109 Thomas 175.4
110 L. Thompson 83.98
111 M. Thompson 14.78
112 Threatt 14.11
113 Tisdale 13.03
114 Toney 12.91
115 Tripucka 17.14
116 Turpin 14.15
117 Vandeweghe 15.74
118 Vincent 16.93
119 Walton 26.67
120 Webb 82.36
121 D. Wilkins 458.62
122 G. Wilkins 20.09
123 B. Williams 20.47
124 G. Williams 15.21
125 H. Williams 12.6
126 Willis 21.02
127 Wittman 15.89
128 Wood 16.95
129 Woodson 22.56
130 Woolridge 44.29
131 Worthy 163.69
132 Checklist 590.05
Stickers
Dominique Wilkins 194
NEWLY REHOLDERED JORDAN RC
1-4
5-8
9-12
13-16
17-20
21-24
25-28
29-32
33-36
37-40
41-44
45-48
49-52
53-56
57-60
61-64
65-68
69-72
73-76
77-80
81-84
85-88
89-92
93-96
97-100
101-104
105-108
109-112
113-116
117-120
121-124
125-128
129-132
ETA: After going through my set, I found four cards that were upgraded/updated that were different from the cards in the scans above. They are all commons and do not materially change much about the break. But for the sake of accuracy, these four cards will replace the cards in the scans above:
Here are the late additions to the set, Buck Williams and Al Wood, as well as the Dominique Sticker that will replace the slot for Maurice Lucas.
Here is a list of the highest dollar cards available based on VCP average. There are 19 cards that are valued at greater than the individual slot values and 12 of them I would call significantly greater value (<$150). 57="" jordan="" 5142.19="" 132="" checklist="" 590.05="" 121="" d.="" wilkins="" 458.62="" 77="" mullin="" 253="" 7="" barkley="" 239.57="" sticker="" 194="" 32="" ewing="" 183.18="" 109="" thomas="" 175.4="" 82="" olajuwon="" 165.11="" 131="" worthy="" 163.69="" 68="" k.="" malone="" 159.69="" 76="" moore="" 150.81="" 1="" abdul-jabbar="" 123.55="" 65="" lloyd="" 100.18="" 11="" blackman="" 99.44="" 55="" s.="" johnson="" 96.81="" 67="" j.="" 94.37="" 2="" adams="" 94.04="" 9="" bird="" 89.06="" slots="" _24_87="" 110="" l.="" thompson="" 83.98="" 120="" webb="" 82.36="" 99="" scott="" 79.91="" 26="" drexler="" 73.37="" 53="" mag.="" 72.12="" please="" post="" here="" or="" pm="" if="" you="" have="" any="" questions="" about="" the="" process="" break.="" my="" goal="" is="" to="" obviously="" sell="" set="" _here2c_="" break="" must="" out="" for="" this="" happen.="" i="" think="" can="" be="" a="" fun="" thing="" board="" and="" am="" looking="" forward="" process.="" do="" not="" cause="" drama="" here.="" like="" rules="" of="" participate.="" should="" all="" involved.="" _thanks2c_="" steve="" lum="" />
PRICE PER SLOT: $87
SHIPPING: $3 flat for first card, $1 additional for each card with a cap at $5. So if you buy more than three slots shipping for every slot after the third will be free.
NOTE: If you win the Jordan, you will be expected to pay more for shipping. You will pay the actual cost of shipping the card to you via USPS Express Overnight or USPS Registered Mail shipping with full insurance. If you think this is unfair and do not want to pay the extra shipping charges for the Jordan, let me know and I will gladly refund your slot and keep it
If you win the 121 Wilkins or the 132 Checklist you will pay normal shipping charges but you will also have to pay whatever the actual Insurance charge is for your cards.
INSURANCE: For everyone else, insurance will be optional. If you want insurance on your package I will add it to your total. Again, the cost will be the exact USPS charge for insurance that you request.
PAYMENT TERMS: Payment is expected as soon as the break ends, which is defined as when all the slots are claimed. I will update everyone’s total on the official break thread, so please wait for the total before sending payment. Payment is expected via PayPal and will be net to me. PayPal Friends and Family is preferred but if you want PayPal Goods please know that 3% will be added to the total to account for the PayPal fees.
START TIME: The break will start around 4PM Pacific on Friday 10/7/2016 (I get off work around 4 so it may be a little earlier or later). I will create a new thread around this time and once it is up, the break is live and you can begin requesting slots. For maximum inclusion, for the first 24 hours there will be a limit of 2 slots per person. After the first 24 hours and for the next 24 hours, everyone can add two more slots. After 48 hours, you can open as many slots as you desire.
RANDOMIZATION: After the break is paid for by all the participants I will announce a date/time where I will stream a live broadcast of the randomization of the break. I have never live streamed before so I still have to figure out how to work it, but I think I will try to do the live stream on Breakers TV. I will post the link to the broadcast at the time of announcement. Each slot purchased will be assigned a number 1-132 by the order of purchase, this list will be on the first page of the official break page once it goes live. I will try to update as frequently as possible as people are buying their slots. The slot numbers will then be put through the randomizer on Random.org and randomized seven times (lucky number 7 for someone). The seventh randomization will be the official break of the set and each slot will receive the card that matches their spot in the order of that final list.
ECONOMICS OF THE BREAK:
These are the VCP AVG values of every card in the break as of 10/3/2016. The total value of these cards is $11,007.83 for an average of $83.39. The mark up on this break is minimal as I believe I have seen averages between 15-25% for similar breaks.
Please note that there is one card missing from the set: Maurice Lucas. If you win the slot associated with #66 Maurice Lucas, that card will be replaced with a Dominique Wilkins PSA 9 Sticker. In this case the sticker is more valuable than the card it is replacing.
66 Maurice Lucas --> Replaced with Dominique Wilkins PSA 9 Sticker
1 Abdul-Jabbar 123.55
2 Adams 94.04
3 Aguirre 29.32
4 Ainge 26.86
5 Bagley 23.9
6 Bailey 20.1
7 Barkley 239.57
8 Benjamin 25.04
9 Bird 89.06
10 Birdsong 37.08
11 Blackman 99.44
12 Bol 37.47
13 Bowie 16.5
14 Carroll 11.44
15 Chambers 14.37
16 Cheeks 18.14
17 M. Cooper 14.62
18 W. Cooper 15.61
19 P. Cummings 20.29
20 T. Cummings 14.28
21 Dantley 25.31
22 B. Davis 38.25
23 W. Davis 16.48
24 Dawkins 18.39
25 Drew 11.79
26 Drexler 73.37
27 Dumars 34.5
28 Eaton 18.12
29 Edwards 13.94
30 English 16.15
31 Erving 38.07
32 Ewing 183.18
33 Fleming 27.82
34 Floyd 14.88
35 Free 15.25
36 Gervin 13.4
37 Gilmore 13.08
38 Gminski 14.04
39 R. Green 15.3
40 S. Green 14.65
41 Greenwood 13.43
42 Griffith 17.28
43 Hanzlik 18.89
44 Harper 46.97
45 Henderson 16.81
46 Hinson 11.91
47 Hodges 12.47
48 Hubbard 12.7
49 Humphries 15.02
50 D. Johnson 16.5
51 E. Johnson 14.49
52 F. Johnson 15.15
53 Mag. Johnson 72.12
54 Mar. Johnson 37.31
55 S. Johnson 96.81
56 V. Johnson 44.9
57 Jordan 5142.19
58 Kellogg 14.6
59 A. King 11.82
60 B. King 24.25
61 Laimbeer 20.61
62 Leavell 13.76
63 Lever 13.9
64 Lister 15.25
65 Lloyd 100.13
66 Lucas REPLACED WITH DOMINIQUE WILKINS STICKER
67 J. Malone 94.37
68 K. Malone 159.69
69 M. Malone 16.69
70 Maxwell 14.68
71 McCray 14.93
72 McDaniel 14.03
73 McHale 24.87
74 Mitchell 13.78
75 Moncrief 16.64
76 Moore 150.81
77 Mullin 253
78 Nance 24.03
79 Natt 13.46
80 Nixon 13.24
81 Oakley 15.72
82 Olajuwon 165.11
83 Orr 12.98
84 Parrish 22.18
85 Paxson 16.31
86 Perkins 16.78
87 Pierce 20.92
88 Pressey 46.44
89 Rambis 28.18
90 Reid 12.61
91 Rivers 15.67
92 Robertson 13.17
93 Robinson 12.04
94 Rollins 12.53
95 Roundfield 11.89
96 Ruland 14.55
97 Sampson 24.2
98 Schayes 15.8
99 Scott 79.91
100 Short 25.98
101 Sichting 15.29
102 Sikma 10.86
103 D. Smith 12.41
104 L. Smith 15.44
105 Sparrow 11.96
106 Stipanovich 13.36
107 Teagle 16.96
108 Theus 15.75
109 Thomas 175.4
110 L. Thompson 83.98
111 M. Thompson 14.78
112 Threatt 14.11
113 Tisdale 13.03
114 Toney 12.91
115 Tripucka 17.14
116 Turpin 14.15
117 Vandeweghe 15.74
118 Vincent 16.93
119 Walton 26.67
120 Webb 82.36
121 D. Wilkins 458.62
122 G. Wilkins 20.09
123 B. Williams 20.47
124 G. Williams 15.21
125 H. Williams 12.6
126 Willis 21.02
127 Wittman 15.89
128 Wood 16.95
129 Woodson 22.56
130 Woolridge 44.29
131 Worthy 163.69
132 Checklist 590.05
Stickers
Dominique Wilkins 194
NEWLY REHOLDERED JORDAN RC
1-4
5-8
9-12
13-16
17-20
21-24
25-28
29-32
33-36
37-40
41-44
45-48
49-52
53-56
57-60
61-64
65-68
69-72
73-76
77-80
81-84
85-88
89-92
93-96
97-100
101-104
105-108
109-112
113-116
117-120
121-124
125-128
129-132
ETA: After going through my set, I found four cards that were upgraded/updated that were different from the cards in the scans above. They are all commons and do not materially change much about the break. But for the sake of accuracy, these four cards will replace the cards in the scans above:
Here are the late additions to the set, Buck Williams and Al Wood, as well as the Dominique Sticker that will replace the slot for Maurice Lucas.
Here is a list of the highest dollar cards available based on VCP average. There are 19 cards that are valued at greater than the individual slot values and 12 of them I would call significantly greater value (<$150). 57="" jordan="" 5142.19="" 132="" checklist="" 590.05="" 121="" d.="" wilkins="" 458.62="" 77="" mullin="" 253="" 7="" barkley="" 239.57="" sticker="" 194="" 32="" ewing="" 183.18="" 109="" thomas="" 175.4="" 82="" olajuwon="" 165.11="" 131="" worthy="" 163.69="" 68="" k.="" malone="" 159.69="" 76="" moore="" 150.81="" 1="" abdul-jabbar="" 123.55="" 65="" lloyd="" 100.18="" 11="" blackman="" 99.44="" 55="" s.="" johnson="" 96.81="" 67="" j.="" 94.37="" 2="" adams="" 94.04="" 9="" bird="" 89.06="" slots="" _24_87="" 110="" l.="" thompson="" 83.98="" 120="" webb="" 82.36="" 99="" scott="" 79.91="" 26="" drexler="" 73.37="" 53="" mag.="" 72.12="" please="" post="" here="" or="" pm="" if="" you="" have="" any="" questions="" about="" the="" process="" break.="" my="" goal="" is="" to="" obviously="" sell="" set="" _here2c_="" break="" must="" out="" for="" this="" happen.="" i="" think="" can="" be="" a="" fun="" thing="" board="" and="" am="" looking="" forward="" process.="" do="" not="" cause="" drama="" here.="" like="" rules="" of="" participate.="" should="" all="" involved.="" _thanks2c_="" steve="" lum="" />
Steve
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Thanks!
Very cool idea. I have terrible luck with these things, but would participate.
Working on the following sets
1980's and 1990's Topps Baseball BBCE FASC - Cello or Wax Boxes
1952 Bowman US Presidents PSA 7 & up
Pro Football Hall of Fame Indianapolis Colts PSA Registry Set
June 9th Cubs full ticket or stubs - 1981 to 2020
Andre Dawson Topps Basic registry PSA 10's
Mark Grace Topps Basic registry PSA 10's
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
BTW, if people have any questions, feel free to post them to this thread now so I can respond/answer either before or within the post detailing the break.
Thanks again!
Brian
I'm sorry to see you sell this off before you finished it. I would most likely be interested in a slot or two.
Brian
Kevin
I won't steal a spot from anyone who actually wants a card but if you need another spot taken I'll buy a lotto ticket from you.
+1 This for me too.
I won't steal a spot from anyone who actually wants a card but if you need another spot taken I'll buy a lotto ticket from you.
+1 This for me too.
Thanks guys. I guess we will see how it goes. We will need to sell out the break so please check in when we go live. Appreciate your willingness to jump in!
I have a PSA 8 set with stickers
but I'm in
lotto ticket for me and if you get the Jordan what a great story
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
1958 Topps Pancho Herrera (no“a”)
81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
IG: goatcollectibles23
The biggest lesson I've learned in this hobby, and in life, is that if you have a strong conviction, you owe it to yourself to see it through. Don't sell yourself, or your investments, short. Unless the facts change. Then sell it all.
Currently collecting.....your guess is as good as mine.
Do you know yet how much is a slot going to cost?
I think Steve said he would estimate to be around $80-90/slot
I did a quick look at VCP at PSA 9...the total come out to about $75-80, so Steves estimate is about spot on.
I won't steal a spot from anyone who actually wants a card but if you need another spot taken I'll buy a lotto ticket from you.
I am also a soft commit
1975 Topps Registry Set "Scott's 75 Topps Set"
My new website www.lowgradegems.com
Tim
PAYMENT TERMS: Payment is expected as soon as the break ends. I will update everyone’s total on the official break thread, so please wait for the total before sending payment. Payment is expected via PayPal and will be net to me. PayPal Friends and Family is preferred but if you want PayPal Goods
I recommend you require upfront payment so that all slots are paid for before the break. You will have have people who get 3 $20 cards for there spots that don't want to pay.
Commissions
Check out my Facebook page
PAYMENT TERMS: Payment is expected as soon as the break ends. I will update everyone’s total on the official break thread, so please wait for the total before sending payment. Payment is expected via PayPal and will be net to me. PayPal Friends and Family is preferred but if you want PayPal Goods
I recommend you require upfront payment so that all slots are paid for before the break. You will have have people who get 3 $20 cards for there spots that don't want to pay.
Thanks for the post. Perhaps I was unclear. No cards will be shipped before I receive payment in full. When I said "Payment is expected as soon as the break ends", the term "break ends" means when every slot is claimed. I am a trusting soul, but no I would not ship cards $11,000 of cards without up front payment. I appreciate your post as i was obviously not clear enough. I will update the post accordingly.
Also, With you living in Cali, the 4 pm time is PST, right?
Hey Steve, Thanks for doing this!! It's going to be a blast for us non-BK guys who want a shot at some nice 86ers.
Also, With you living in Cali, the 4 pm time is PST, right?
You're welcome Brent. Yes, nice call out. It will be 4pm Pacific this Friday.
PAYMENT TERMS: Payment is expected as soon as the break ends. I will update everyone’s total on the official break thread, so please wait for the total before sending payment. Payment is expected via PayPal and will be net to me. PayPal Friends and Family is preferred but if you want PayPal Goods
I recommend you require upfront payment so that all slots are paid for before the break. You will have have people who get 3 $20 cards for there spots that don't want to pay.
Thanks for the post. Perhaps I was unclear. No cards will be shipped before I receive payment in full. When I said "Payment is expected as soon as the break ends", the term "break ends" means when every slot is claimed. I am a trusting soul, but no I would not ship cards $11,000 of cards without up front payment. I appreciate your post as i was obviously not clear enough. I will update the post accordingly.
I knew you weren't shipping cards first. But still glad your updating it. To me at least, break ends when items are assigned, not when break is full.
Commissions
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Whens it go live?
"CU random slotted 1986 Fleer Basketball PSA 9 Set Break Going Live Friday 10/7/2016 around 4pm PACIFIC"
Not sure if I'll be able to play because of Mathew. I should be in better shape in NC than those in FLA & SC.
Obviously there are much bigger things than cardboard. I hope Matthew stays clear of you and your family over there. My wife has family in FL and NC so we hope that everyone stays safe and avoids damage. Hopefully you will get a chance to participate.