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I'm trying to get back into the collecting world and since I've never sold anything on eBay I did some research on what eBay's commission would be and PayPal's. What I've read is that eBay takes 10% and PayPal gets 2.9% + .10 cents per transaction.



So my "take home" is roughly 87.1% of the final price. Then I need to factor in shipping & handling and packaging material, subtract that from my "take home" price to get my so called "profit"!



Is my calculation correct? Also, is there a way to minimize eBay and PayPal's commissions?



In advance thanks for any assistance.

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    PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    If most of your transactions are small ones, under 10 dollars I think is the magic number, you can get a better rate from paypal. There is a name for it that I cannot recall. I believe it only makes sense if a high percentage of your transactions are lower than $10.
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    slum22slum22 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭✭
    You can sell on the Buy Sell Trade forum on here to avoid some of the fees. Of course, the expectation is that you also offer a slight discount over normal eBay pricing. You may net a very similar amount but you are more likely to have less headaches on here vs. potentially shady, flaky or scamming eBay buyers. That said, I sell a fair amount on eBay and have been lucky and not really had any problems with bad buyers but you hear stories.

    I don't think you can reduce your PP fees selling on eBay but you can reduce the eBay commission from 10% to 8% by being a top rated seller. I believe a couple stipulations to being top rated are: must accept returns (I think it's 30 days) and must ship within 1 day on 90% of your sales. Look up the top rated program and you can see for yourself. eBay also had buying and selling promotions so be sure to set your preferences on there to accept those emails as they can be valuable.

    Good luck and welcome back to the hobby and these boards!
    Steve
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    PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    It's called paypal micropayments. I found one article that talks about it being best for transactions of 2 or 3 dollars per but I thought when I talked to paypal directly they mentioned it was best for 10 dollars or less. I'm sure someone can do the math.
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    epatmythesepatmythes Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: slum22
    You can sell on the Buy Sell Trade forum on here to avoid some of the fees. Of course, the expectation is that you also offer a slight discount over normal eBay pricing. You may net a very similar amount but you are more likely to have less headaches on here vs. potentially shady, flaky or scamming eBay buyers. That said, I sell a fair amount on eBay and have been lucky and not really had any problems with bad buyers but you hear stories.

    I don't think you can reduce your PP fees selling on eBay but you can reduce the eBay commission from 10% to 8% by being a top rated seller. I believe a couple stipulations to being top rated are: must accept returns (I think it's 30 days) and must ship within 1 day on 90% of your sales. Look up the top rated program and you can see for yourself. eBay also had buying and selling promotions so be sure to set your preferences on there to accept those emails as they can be valuable.

    Good luck and welcome back to the hobby and these boards!


    There is one other Top Rated Seller requirement...

    To be a Top Rated Seller, you must have at least 100 transactions and $1,000.00 in sales during the past 12 months

    So you want start getting the 20% discount (that brings your percentage from 10% to 8%), until you've sold 100 items at the 10% rate.

    Also for the OP's original inquiry. The Paypal rate is 2.9% + $0.30... not $0.10
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    SumoMenkoManSumoMenkoMan Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wannabeoldschool
    I'm trying to get back into the collecting world and since I've never sold anything on eBay I did some research on what eBay's commission would be and PayPal's. What I've read is that eBay takes 10% and PayPal gets 2.9% + .10 cents per transaction.

    So my "take home" is roughly 87.1% of the final price. Then I need to factor in shipping & handling and packaging material, subtract that from my "take home" price to get my so called "profit"!

    Is my calculation correct? Also, is there a way to minimize eBay and PayPal's commissions?

    In advance thanks for any assistance.


    Sounds right. Don't forget to add in any listing fees....if you do larger images that's $0.35 there. When I take into account packaging material, Listing Fees, final value fee, PayPal fee, and shipping my profit is between 70-75% of final sale price.
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    If you charge shipping fees accurately, there is nothing to subtract it from since it is not part of the sale price. I usually charge $3.25 shipping which covers all shipping costs, plus the transaction fee.
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    PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: Dusto
    If you charge shipping fees accurately, there is nothing to subtract it from since it is not part of the sale price. I usually charge $3.25 shipping which covers all shipping costs, plus the transaction fee.


    Shipping fees are part of the sale price and are dinged by ebay as such. They changed to this policy years ago to stop people from listing items for 1 cent with 19.99 shipping charge.

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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PMKAY

    Originally posted by: Dusto

    If you charge shipping fees accurately, there is nothing to subtract it from since it is not part of the sale price. I usually charge $3.25 shipping which covers all shipping costs, plus the transaction fee.




    Shipping fees are part of the sale price and are dinged by ebay as such. They changed to this policy years ago to stop people from listing items for 1 cent with 19.99 shipping charge.







    What Dusto is saying is that if you add the appropriate shipping charge to the auction, it will cover the cost of shipping as well as the 10% (or 35 or so cents) off the shipping charge, as well.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: grote15

    What Dusto is saying is that if you add the appropriate shipping charge to the auction, it will cover the cost of shipping as well as the 10% (or 35 or so cents) off the shipping charge, as well.




    In theory, anyway.



    I would think that a good percentage of buyers do what I do. If I'm willing to pay $20 for an item, my bid will be $20 if shipping is free, $15 if shipping is $5, and $10 if shipping is $10.
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    SumoMenkoManSumoMenkoMan Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭
    It would be interesting to see if auctions that sell for $20 with $3 shipping sell better than $23 with free shipping. As far as eBay is concerned, they will take the 10% (in this case) from $23 no matter how you add it up. In my opinion, shipping is part of the business and I still consider it an expense no matter if I do free shipping or charge shipping. It still comes off my bottom line.
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    PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: grote15
    Originally posted by: PMKAY
    Originally posted by: Dusto
    If you charge shipping fees accurately, there is nothing to subtract it from since it is not part of the sale price. I usually charge $3.25 shipping which covers all shipping costs, plus the transaction fee.


    Shipping fees are part of the sale price and are dinged by ebay as such. They changed to this policy years ago to stop people from listing items for 1 cent with 19.99 shipping charge.



    What Dusto is saying is that if you add the appropriate shipping charge to the auction, it will cover the cost of shipping as well as the 10% (or 35 or so cents) off the shipping charge, as well.


    If you charge shipping fees accurately, there is nothing to subtract it from since it is not part of the sale price
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: mlbfan2

    Originally posted by: grote15

    What Dusto is saying is that if you add the appropriate shipping charge to the auction, it will cover the cost of shipping as well as the 10% (or 35 or so cents) off the shipping charge, as well.




    In theory, anyway.



    I would think that a good percentage of buyers do what I do. If I'm willing to pay $20 for an item, my bid will be $20 if shipping is free, $15 if shipping is $5, and $10 if shipping is $10.




    Agreed. In cases where shipping is about $3.00 or $3.50, the ebay fee on the shipping cost is fairly negligible (about 30 cents) in any case.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SumoMenkoMan

    It would be interesting to see if auctions that sell for $20 with $3 shipping sell better than $23 with free shipping. As far as eBay is concerned, they will take the 10% (in this case) from $23 no matter how you add it up. In my opinion, shipping is part of the business and I still consider it an expense no matter if I do free shipping or charge shipping. It still comes off my bottom line.




    It may make a difference to some bidders who will go a bit higher on the item if shipping is free, but many other bidders will bid the same if shipping is free or $3.50, as long as shipping is reasonable, depending on the item and how readily available it is.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    grote15grote15 Posts: 29,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PMKAY

    Originally posted by: grote15

    Originally posted by: PMKAY

    Originally posted by: Dusto

    If you charge shipping fees accurately, there is nothing to subtract it from since it is not part of the sale price. I usually charge $3.25 shipping which covers all shipping costs, plus the transaction fee.




    Shipping fees are part of the sale price and are dinged by ebay as such. They changed to this policy years ago to stop people from listing items for 1 cent with 19.99 shipping charge.







    What Dusto is saying is that if you add the appropriate shipping charge to the auction, it will cover the cost of shipping as well as the 10% (or 35 or so cents) off the shipping charge, as well.




    If you charge shipping fees accurately, there is nothing to subtract it from since it is not part of the sale price




    You stated in successive posts "shipping fees are part of the sale price" and "shipping fees are not part of the sale price."



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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    swish54swish54 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SumoMenkoMan
    It would be interesting to see if auctions that sell for $20 with $3 shipping sell better than $23 with free shipping. As far as eBay is concerned, they will take the 10% (in this case) from $23 no matter how you add it up. In my opinion, shipping is part of the business and I still consider it an expense no matter if I do free shipping or charge shipping. It still comes off my bottom line.


    That's what I do. Factor the shipping into my starting price when I sell. I think it just looks better and is more appealing to see the "free shipping" to buyers. I've actually had someone leave me feedback and all they said was "I love free shipping!" lol
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    MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: swish54

    Originally posted by: SumoMenkoMan

    It would be interesting to see if auctions that sell for $20 with $3 shipping sell better than $23 with free shipping. As far as eBay is concerned, they will take the 10% (in this case) from $23 no matter how you add it up. In my opinion, shipping is part of the business and I still consider it an expense no matter if I do free shipping or charge shipping. It still comes off my bottom line.




    That's what I do. Factor the shipping into my starting price when I sell. I think it just looks better and is more appealing to see the "free shipping" to buyers. I've actually had someone leave me feedback and all they said was "I love free shipping!" lol




    That's how dumb some people are. They'd probably rather pay a higher overall price as long as they got that free shipping.

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    Ebay takes a 9% cut of all shipping charges.

    In card categories, if you are a power seller. the final value fee's are 9% minus the 20% discount off the final value fees.

    So a $100 sale would be:

    100.00 gross
    -9.00 Final value fees (20% off of this fee would be $1.80)
    so $7.20 would come off of the $100 gross.

    Net would be $92.80 .

    For shipping say you charge $4.00,

    ebay takes 9% or .$036 off of this amount
    so that's $3.64 the seller, then out of that comes your postage, cost of box/mailer, any packaging materials,
    cost of printing out label, paper for label, etc......

    Paypal takes $0.30 off of every payment as well, in addition to their 2.9 % fee off the total paypal charge.

    I've found you need to charge $3.50 for shipping to about break even on that, assuming there's no need for insurance
    or the item is very heavy and runs into priority level shipping (over 16 oz.).

    It's best to factor your selling costs in at 12-15% overall off of the item you're selling.
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    ZTargZTarg Posts: 497 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SumoMenkoMan

    ........When I take into account packaging material, Listing Fees, final value fee, PayPal fee, and shipping my profit is between 70-75% of final sale price.




    So you get all the items you sell for free?



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    I appreciate all the responses and truly look forward to getting back into the hobby. Sometimes the best way to learn is going through the experience. Thanks to everyone!
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    SumoMenkoManSumoMenkoMan Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ZTarg
    Originally posted by: SumoMenkoMan
    ........When I take into account packaging material, Listing Fees, final value fee, PayPal fee, and shipping my profit is between 70-75% of final sale price.


    So you get all the items you sell for free?



    Good catch. I should have said revenue.
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    jsanzjsanz Posts: 250 ✭✭
    I'm not sure if anyone said this but you can negotiate the paypal fees down a little if take in a lot of $ through your account. They don't usually publish it but there is tiered pricing.
    Love those 70's - early 80's packs and boxes...send me a message if you are selling because I am buying
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