Can you help with this 1883 Trade Dollar??

keets

I'm trying to get some help with this 1883 Trade Dollar. The pictures were taken with a cell phone, I'll get better pictures whenever I get home. I can tell you that the weight is around 416 gr., the strike is sharp considering that it is lightly circulated, the fields are reflective and the rims seem flat although not squared up. I did a ring-test and it sounds right.



I understand that the Chinese counterfeits are literally flooding the market, but a holed Proof-only counterfeit didn't make sense to me.



Thanks in advance.



Al H.

tradedollarnut

Unless it screams proof it's a fake

mbogoman

Hard to tell with such low resolution, but... FWIW - the rims don't look squared off enough to me to be a proof. The denticles also appear to be too large in some areas and too small in others - they should be identical and regular.

Flatwoods

I am surely not a Trade dollar guy but after looking at thousands and thousands of images,

sometimes a coin just looks "wrong".

That is one of those coins.

keets

the rims were the only thing that told me "not a Proof" which is why I posted it. my hope past that was to get a diagnostic such as the date or something else to tell which year hub it came from. I'm assuming that if it is a fake it came from an identifiable year die pair. does that make sense??

LanceNewmanOCC

Originally posted by: keets

I'm assuming that if it is a fake it came from an identifiable year die pair. does that make sense??

provided a die transfer coin(s) was used. provided the hubs werent mixed up and made dateless with dates being punched later; which counterfeiters did, A LOT.



not saying about this coin specifically, just sloppy modus operandi from fakers. your coin looks too good from those images, to have probably have had mixed hubs, mixed date punches etc. (if it is fake at all. idk) - disclosure; trades do seem to be on the least end of the spectrum for all that shenanigans because of how well and with such quantity the fake dies propagated all those decades ago due to high volumes of the coins to regions at-risk for such mass fraud.



i do have images of some shenanigan trade fakes. no, i dont mean shanghai.



we see it often with fake morgans, indian cents, early type etc.



so you can use the logic you mentioned, so long as all this other, plus some, is considered. once the possibility of being fake is considered.



look forward to bigger pix.

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telephoto1

Can't tell much from pics. Don't see the reflectivity and the rims look wrong. Contemporary fake holed and kept as a souvenir? That would explain weight and ring being right. I too would like to see pics

LanceNewmanOCC

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roadrunner

If the rim edges aren't sharp and square enough to "cut" your hand on, it's not a proof.

topstuf

Originally posted by: roadrunner

If the rim edges aren't sharp and square enough to "cut" your hand on, it's not a proof.

We true fastidious numismatists always use neutral acid free white gloves. Hmmmph!

HoledandCreative

If it screams proof, I would have some interest.

AMRC

Did you test the metal? Is it 90% Assume it passed the magnet test?

TomB

It's funny, before I even read your post I quickly glanced at the images and thought to myself "fake".

TomB

It's funny, before I even read your post I quickly glanced at the images and thought to myself "fake".