Why ban forum members?
rynotograce
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Really hope this forum continues, but it's on thin ice and one of most active members was banned for speaking 'truth to power'.
Can't just ban with no appeal and no warning.
Damn, this hobby is going to need massive help in 10 years when all the scumbags chase off the young collectors.
US small size Federal Reserve Note collector with focus on 1928 to 1950E and main focus on 1934 to 1934D series. $5 to $100 denominations.
kurtisjohnson is my eBay ID
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kurtisjohnson is my eBay ID
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It may be time to find an alternative venue. It appears they banned Larry. He has helped so many people numerous times and is very open and active with opinions and information on the boards. He IS one of the good ones... This is not right...
If they are going to try and censor the truth about unscrupulous sellers or even ban our TRUE GRACIOUS HOSTS accounts (I hope this is untrue) then there is no more use for this forum.
JUST LEAVE US ALONE AND GO BACK YOUR SIDE!
I may wake up tomorrow to find my account is mysteriously inactive as well and if so, it's been great! But I'm not hanging around quietly watching you destroying our community!
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kurtisjohnson is my eBay ID
http://www.ebay.com/sch/kurtisjohnson/m.html
The truth is the truth, and sometimes, truth can be offensive / hurtful. In the long run, truth is what will benefit the hobby.
It is our fundamental right to speak freely / express ourselves freely.
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Interesting reading...
http://www.depressionscrip.com
Always looking for more depression scrip -- PM me if you have any for sale or trade
maxcrusha was also banned
This is getting hard to believe. How can you tell (silly question) ?
Makes me want to delete all my posts.
Oh, that's right, they deleted the delete button.
Of all people, I expected to be the first to be banned.
Check out the last edit date.
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There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States, the person must prove that the statement was false, caused harm, and was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen. For a celebrity or a public official, the person must prove the first three steps and that the statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth, which is usually specifically referred to as "proving malice"
However, This is a CU forum, and they are certainly entitled to make the rules, and even enforce them as they see fit, even if it sometimes appears arbitrary.
If this is my last post, (not by choice) good night and good luck.
A witty saying proves nothing- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor
does the truth become error because nobody will see it. -Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)
Wow.
Collecting small-size star notes.
Mishawaka, IN
Funny how, EVEN HERE IN THE PAPER SIDE, coin motivated GREED by our "gracious" hosts will make this the lovely little Nazi neighborhood they desire & I refuse to swim in the same water with feces....
I only COLLECT $2.00 FANCY #s but errors, fancy numbers, uncut sheets & autographed currency are my areas of expertise. Always glad to help when I can!
I only COLLECT $2.00 FANCY #s but errors, fancy numbers, uncut sheets & autographed currency are my areas of expertise. Always glad to help when I can!
maxcrusha was also banned
thats to bad.
It is with great sadness that I feel I must stop participating in this forum. I do not want to contribute in any way to a company that I wholeheartedly disagree with how they are behaving. So I will express my opinion through my wallet and my cessation of participation in a forum what seems to be arbitrary and totalitarian control. I mean, they wont even give us a Currency Moderator and seem to have gone out of their way to ostracize this community. Well congratulations, you have succeeded in destroying a beautiful thing and I am moving on.
Well I decided to take my own advice and I just bought PaperMoneyForum.com and I bought forum software. It is going to take some work but I am pretty pissed off currently so I will get it figured out.
Yes, we may loose all of our messages, threads, pictures ect... But we cant let this keep going on. It is only going to get worse and we are the only ones who are ACTUALLY IN CONTROL. We decide our own fate...
Join me at PaperMoneyForum.com where it will be a community driven Paper Money Forum.
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Let the banned be reinstated and if need be, put them on probation for a while and our family can be whole again!
I am tired of seeing good people mistreated for no good reason as they are here on the CU forums, tired of the new software, and tired of forbidden words that are not even foul.
To the mods: go ahead and ban me too, I could care less, I am leaving on my own accord anyway, as of now.
To the members, keep in touch. I have enjoyed your posts, as well as educating many of you, and will continue to do so elsewhere.
That's all I have to say. So sad to see a good thing go to waste.
As Gnat mentioned in the other post, we have filed another lawsuit against CU to cover some of the other items of contention that were not covered under the arbitration ruling. Our contention is that CU sold us this part of the message board back when they sold us PCGS Currency, and arbitrarily stole it back last year when our fiasco with them hit a new level of pettiness. Operationally, this seemed to be understood by both companies up until they stripped us of our administrative rights, deleted all of our advertising content, and removed all of our website links.
It is also true that, back when we rightfully had control over our own message board, we did occasionally ban people...sometimes temporarily, sometimes permanently. I don't have a problem with the rules that PCGS applies to their forum because we usually apply very similar rules--although we very rarely did so without warning, and never did so without a very good reason. My problem is that they don't have the right to arbitrarily control our message board...but that's another lawsuit for another day...
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As someone mentions over on the other post, quitting is really somewhat counter-productive. Switching over to a competing company's board would be, in my opinion, the ultimate stab in the back to the rightful owners of this part of the message board...since CU's goal was to destroy us, helping a competitor (although a friendly competitor for us, in PMG) is really helping them out more than it helps us.
As Gnat mentioned in the other post, we have filed another lawsuit against CU to cover some of the other items of contention that were not covered under the arbitration ruling. Our contention is that CU sold us this part of the message board back when they sold us PCGS Currency, and arbitrarily stole it back last year when our fiasco with them hit a new level of pettiness. Operationally, this seemed to be understood by both companies up until they stripped us of our administrative rights, deleted all of our advertising content, and removed all of our website links.
It is also true that, back when we rightfully had control over our own message board, we did occasionally ban people...sometimes temporarily, sometimes permanently. I don't have a problem with the rules that PCGS applies to their forum because we usually apply very similar rules--although we very rarely did so without warning, and never did so without a very good reason. My problem is that they don't have the right to arbitrarily control our message board...but that's another lawsuit for another day...
Jason,
I just do not think it is in our best interest to deal with the banning of active members,whose opinions are valued without it being warranted. I also dont think that discussing the tactics of sellers unscrupulous or not, should be out of bounds. It should be one of the exact things we are doing so we can lower the initial tuition all collectors have to pay. The less people who get financially harmed, the more collectors we retain.
In all honesty I think your interests are being harmed by your inability (not of your own fault) to moderate this forum effectively. Perhaps it turns out to benefit you in the future as damages.
Regardless you and Laura and the entire PCGS Currency Team are who we respect and want to do business with. I hope to see this resolved quickly but I know thats not how these things usually work. Whenever it is resolved we will all still be behind you!
I only COLLECT $2.00 FANCY #s but errors, fancy numbers, uncut sheets & autographed currency are my areas of expertise. Always glad to help when I can!
I only COLLECT $2.00 FANCY #s but errors, fancy numbers, uncut sheets & autographed currency are my areas of expertise. Always glad to help when I can!
Just planning ahead until some control is gained
I only COLLECT $2.00 FANCY #s but errors, fancy numbers, uncut sheets & autographed currency are my areas of expertise. Always glad to help when I can!
I am A huge fan of Larry, Max, Phil, John, Lew and numerous others - I just want to be crystal clear on what we're doing. It sounds like we are punishing Jason and Laura for what we ALL agreed was a CU problem. Wouldn't that make collectors universe happy?
It seems like CU banning key participants is doing the most damage.
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- Abraham Lincoln
I only COLLECT $2.00 FANCY #s but errors, fancy numbers, uncut sheets & autographed currency are my areas of expertise. Always glad to help when I can!
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I am A huge fan of Larry, Max, Phil, John, Lew and numerous others - I just want to be crystal clear on what we're doing. It sounds like we are punishing Jason and Laura for what we ALL agreed was a CU problem. Wouldn't that make collectors universe happy?
I wholeheartedly support Jason, Luara and the entire PCGS currency team. I have not sent any personal notes to any other TPG in over 3 years. That's because I consider them to be the best and even if I could get a point higher elsewhere, I value their opinion and many times discount the opinions I see from other TPGs. I agree they are being harmed by their inability to control this forum (not by choice) and that sincerely saddens me.
I simply did not wish to contribute any longer if our group was being forcibly broken up and there was no available recourse. It could be anyone at anytime. That makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
I look forward to the day when PCGS Currency regains control of this message board. Until then, I continue to believe there may be calculatable damages occurring in the current situation.
+1 Very well stated
bumping for info
http://www.depressionscrip.com
Always looking for more depression scrip -- PM me if you have any for sale or trade
Hmmmm wow!! Seems to be a trend in this country....I don't like what you are saying so i will not give you the air time!!
Always looking for 1928 & 1934 series changeover pairs. Any denomination !! PM me or email
Only we as individuals can change that.
The only way to solve problems is quite often the result of resolving differences between people.
Part of being free and independent is to also be grown up too. We may not always like what someone else has to say, but it is their right to say it, as long as it is not slanderous or untrue.
As a patriot for America, I could go on and on. Bottom line, some times the truth hurts. Regarding the hobby, there is a lot of shady dealings that happen, by unscrupulous people.
As custodians of our coins, notes, etc, we must also be custodians of the future of our hobby. If we do not call out wrong doings, we will loose future collectors, one by one. Once that happens, every one in the hobby, from collectors, to dealers, to grading services will suffer.
The future of our great hobby is on the line.
Hey, ....... this hobby is supposed to be a gentleman's hobby, and is supposed to be fun and educational.
It is remarkably hypocritical for CU to ban a poster for pointing out the obvious truth of note doctoring, when it wasn't so many years ago that CU went so far as to make a big show of filing a Federal lawsuit against several coin dealers who were alleged to be doctoring coins.
Watch out gnat, truth hurts!
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