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Review submission FAIL. 0 for 13

Been saving a few cards I felt deserved upgrades. Results were ZERO upgraded! Here are scans..opinions welcome.

-Claude

1960 Kaat requested minimum PSA 8
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1962 Stengel requested PSA 9
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1966 Palmer requested PSA 6
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1967 Brock requested PSA 7.5
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1968 OPC HR Ldrs requested PSA 8
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1972 OPC Fisk requested PSA 7
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1976 Brett requested PSA 7.5
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1980 Henderson requested PSA 8.5
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1986 Tiffany Bo requested PSA 8 (figured the print dot in the "L" would cost me)
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1986 Tiffany BO requested PSA 9
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1987 OPC Ripken requested PSA 10
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1986 Young requested PSA 8.5
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1991 Favre requested PSA 10
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Comments

  • MrVintageMrVintage Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭
    I guess I don't completely understand your strategy. On the PSA 6 Brock you requested a 7.5? Why didn't you simply request any bump? If they would have bumped it to a 6.5 wouldn't that have been better than it remaining a 6??
  • Moat is confused
  • 1966CUDA1966CUDA Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭✭
    I felt the Brock was 7.5/8.0 quality when examining it.
  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MrVintage

    I guess I don't completely understand your strategy. On the PSA 6 Brock you requested a 7.5? Why didn't you simply request any bump? If they would have bumped it to a 6.5 wouldn't that have been better than it remaining a 6??




    Agreed.
  • Best thread ever
  • MrVintageMrVintage Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭
    Just my opinion but if you really feel that the Brock card is a 7.5 or 8 I think I would crackout and submit rather than doing a review. Nice cards.
  • 1966CUDA1966CUDA Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks. I made the post just to get opinions of the current grades and if others here felt they deserved bumps. I felt they were high end for the grades they received
  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭
    Even if these were bump candidates, asking for 1.0 and 1.5 bumps is never going to turn out well. It's rare for PSA to say they made a grading error or changed their minds. Asking for big jumps makes it even less likely for them to admit they screwed up in an even bigger way. That was your first mistake. If it's a review, I would never set your minimums that high. Any bump is a win.
  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice cards and I do think some of those deserve bumps, but if you min graded those at what you say you requested, then that played a bigger role than the quality of the cards. You're better off taking .5 grade bumps and resubbing... to get multi-grade bumps in one sub, I think you'd have to crack out. Just the game you choose to play.
  • PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: 1966CUDA
    I felt the Brock was 7.5/8.0 quality when examining it.


    That is not a solid rationale.
  • Sorry to hear that you didnt get any bumps. Cards look to be graded properly from the scans provided
    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    based on this group of cards I don't understand why you wouldn't crack them all out and send them in raw. Looks like the value of the cards is between 10 and 50 bucks so I don't see much downside. I think the review service is primarily for cards with high value that you will lose your shirt if the grade doesn't at least come back the same

    if you want cards grade to go up , your best bet is to not give the grader a basis to start from as it is much easier to confirm a grade than it is to regrade it.

    and I agree there is no chance a grader is going to bump a card 1 1/2 grades on a review. crack it out and that is surely a possibility if the card is worthy.
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 1966CUDA
    1960 Kaat requested minimum PSA 8 - Possible if cracked and resubbed, maybe 40% chance

    1962 Stengel requested PSA 9 - Unlikely to ever upgrade w/white on both upper corner tips, on a different set with white borders it's an easy 9 in that shape

    1966 Palmer requested PSA 6 - See Kaat, right side corners are the biggest issue

    1967 Brock requested PSA 7.5 - 6.5 or 7 likely if cracked, don't think 7.5 is possible with T/B centering, lower left corner is only thing I see that might keep it a 6

    1968 OPC HR Ldrs requested PSA 8 - Won't even attempt to judge a 68 without a back scan

    1972 OPC Fisk requested PSA 7 - Would take a lot of leeway on the rough cut for both top and the lower left corner to get this in a 7 holder

    1976 Brett requested PSA 7.5 - No chance, T/B centering immediately jumps out.

    1980 Henderson requested PSA 8.5 - I would expect this to get a 7 if resubbed today, upper right corner is the only one that looks sharp.

    1986 Tiffany Bo requested PSA 8 (figured the print dot in the "L" would cost me) - Really need to see the surface to give an opinion

    1986 Tiffany BO requested PSA 9 - Upper right corner too rounded for a 9

    1987 OPC Ripken requested PSA 10- Lower left corner, centering is probably within spec (even with the tilt)

    1986 Young requested PSA 8.5 - Looks like a good possibility, but PSA is brutal on this set

    1991 Favre requested PSA 10 - Looks like a coin flip 9/10 if subbed raw

    My two cents above
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭
    I would like to see what you get if they were cracked and submitted. I might be worth it for some of them
    Fred

    collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.

    looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started

  • muffinsmuffins Posts: 469 ✭✭✭
    That's a solid '76 Brett!
  • rcmb3220rcmb3220 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭✭
    I can't imagine a 91 or 92 stadium club Favre would ever get bumped without cracking.
  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    IMO, PSA hates tilt. Even the slightest tilt, which some of yours have, gets PSA in a tizzy.



    However, some of the cards do look undergraded. I agree with prior assessments, crack those out and submit. I think you'll have far better luck and very little downside since the current grades you have are about as bad as it will get.



    If some of those cards grade lower, then something is going on indecipherably with the cards.







    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • Yea man you need to go back to the drawing board on your strategy. You think that you found 13 of their mistakes in a row? That is how they see it initially. If you want grade bumps you take the risk and crack them. If your eye is good then you won't have issues but sending 13 psa slabbed cards back to psa indicating they made mistakes on all of them will get you nowhere. Hope this helps
  • travis ttravis t Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JJCTHE1

    Yea man you need to go back to the drawing board on your strategy. You think that you found 13 of their mistakes in a row? That is how they see it initially. If you want grade bumps you take the risk and crack them. If your eye is good then you won't have issues but sending 13 psa slabbed cards back to psa indicating they made mistakes on all of them will get you nowhere. Hope this helps




    Actually, there's not much wrong with this strategy, but the contents of such a submission should be regarded differently. When we prepare our orders, we are always full of hope and anticipation. Logic needs to play a key role in this process. You could send in 13 knockouts, KNOWING FULL WELL that you'd be darn lucky to get bumped on any of them, but that the possibility exists. The value aspect plays another key role. You must choose cards which toe that line so closely that of the amount submitted, at least 1 of them can't be denied. That's really all it takes. For the right card in the right scenario, that 1 card can ease the disappointment of the other 12 being returned with the notion that they have already achieved their best case assessment. Occasionally, you might even get one of those rejects to pass on another try. But, the theme, of course, is trying to get the grading department to admit that they were a bit too cautious that one time.



    You've got to choose a group with a feature item, or 2, or 3, or whatever, but give them something. A card that steps forward and demands an improved opinion can't be denied.
  • submitting many cards for review at one time is sound strategy



    declining smaller bumps for no reason by specifying minimum grades greater than .5 higher than the current grade is not sound strategy



    moat confused
  • travis ttravis t Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭
    Agreed. Be happy with half. Be Doublemint twins with whole. Or more.
  • 0-13 suggests that reviews are for folks with $$$ to burn. I speak from exp. Been there, done that.
  • MeferMefer Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭
    I am 2 for 12 on bumps. I generally shoot for the moon and use my "freebies" in upping my membership for reviews. It makes no sense to me to send in cards I can send under a 5 or 6 dollar special for my freebies. I plan to do that again with my freebies sitting around.

    Do I expect to hit on all? No. Best I can probably hope for is 1 to 2. Considering some of these are pretty valuable in their current holders, I don't have the (censored) to crack and resubmit.

    Also keep in mind it is grader dependent. Grading remains subject and subjective factors play a role. It may take a few submissions to get the bump. That, of course, begs the question as to why the bump didn't occur at the outset but, again remember subjectivity including yours as a submitter with extra hope at the high grade.

    Matt
  • royalbrettroyalbrett Posts: 620 ✭✭✭
    Nice cards. Out of curiosity, how much did this whole experiment cost including shipping, insurance, and the fee to PSA?
    Yeah, I uploaded that KC icon in 2001
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