1985 Topps Tiffany Mark McGwire PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
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This is not my card ...although I wish I owned one. I know some people on here have tried looking for one so here is your chance. Me personally, I am not a fan of the rough cuts on this one but I think it's still interesting to see what this one ends up going for since they don't appear too often.
With 3 days left, this one is already at $2800. Ive included VCP to give you an idea that this should fetch probably in the 4K range due to its obscurity of rarely showing up in public auctions.
Tiffany PSA 10
Average Price: $2,300.00
9/2/15 eBay Best Offer $2,300.00
9/1/14 eBay 28 $2,025.00
6/24/12 eBay 45 $866.33
6/7/12 eBay 10 $731.78
5/20/12 SCP Auctions $1,252.80
5/6/12 eBay 25 $965.00
With 3 days left, this one is already at $2800. Ive included VCP to give you an idea that this should fetch probably in the 4K range due to its obscurity of rarely showing up in public auctions.
Tiffany PSA 10
Average Price: $2,300.00
9/2/15 eBay Best Offer $2,300.00
9/1/14 eBay 28 $2,025.00
6/24/12 eBay 45 $866.33
6/7/12 eBay 10 $731.78
5/20/12 SCP Auctions $1,252.80
5/6/12 eBay 25 $965.00
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George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
87 Topps Bonds was always considered his worst RC and even when he was on fire, it wasn't really popular.
85 Topps McGwire was arguably the most iconic modern card for a couple of years.
87 Topps Bonds was always considered his worst RC and even when he was on fire, it wasn't really popular.
I agree, those Olympic Team cards are awesome.
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Were there less 1985 Tiffany sets produced than the others from the 1980's?
IIRC, 87 was the peak for Tiffany production at around 75K sets and 85 was 35-40K.
Edit: looks like I was way off in my recollection, 30K in 87, only 5K in 85 according to cardboard connection.
I raised this issue before, the 1987 Fleer Glossy Bonds PSA 10 pop is 440 vs 338 for the 1986 Tiffany PSA 10. I think the 10X premium for the Tiffany is too high or the 1987 Glossy is underpriced. I know there are probably pallets of 1987 Fleer BB Glossy sets in a warehouse somewhere, but with the current PSA standards, I wouldn't expect the pop to go much higher than 500. Centered copies are tough to find and should command a larger premium.
I'll never own a McGwire or Bonds card.
If that comment is PED related then you probably need to add about 10 other star players from the 80's to that list.
FYI Bonds never failed a drug test.
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I'll never own a McGwire or Bonds card.
If that comment is PED related then you probably need to add about 10 other star players from the 80's to that list.
FYI Bonds never failed a drug test.
Would David Ortiz be on that list? I am surprised he gets a pass for the failed test.
I will always enjoy pulling Bonds and McGwire cards out of packs regardless.
David Ortiz I think will be the one who will break the mold and get into the Hall and then from there, guys like Clemens (who also never tested positive) will get a shot. Does Clemens belong? I would say so. There was no pitcher in the mid 80's and early 90's that was as dominant as the Rocket.
I will always enjoy pulling Bonds and McGwire cards out of packs regardless.
I agree. It will be hard for collectors from 1984 on to ignore the PED guys. There are basically 3 groups of stars with rookies from that era - Clean, Suspect, Proven. The shortest list by far is the Clean list.
The shortest list by far is the Clean list.
I'd be interested on thoughts of who's on the Clean list. I haven't heard any serious accusations against the following off the top of my head, but could be mistaken (and I'm sure there are quite a few others not included yet):
Jeter, Larkin, Braves pitchers, Griffey Jr, Randy Johnson
You can add Rickey, Ripken, and Nolan to the list too.
To which list?
I'll never own a McGwire or Bonds card.
If that comment is PED related then you probably need to add about 10 other star players from the 80's to that list.
FYI Bonds never failed a drug test.
Oh I've added them too. And I don't collect much after 1984 anyway, so it's mostly moot.
One guy was skinny, the other is a monster but both were doping. I bet there are plenty of guys who have been on something for a long time that didn't look like a steroid freak like McGwire or Sosa.
There can't be too many of these left ungraded and sealed sets have moved up significantly since then.
I purchased a 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany looking for a nice Bo and Bonds when they were in the low $200's a few years ago. A Bonds could be bought all day for $400 at the time in a PSA 10. Hindsight is 20/20 but boy were those cheap.
If I remember correctly, for a brief time, even the 1986 Fleer Update Bonds PSA 10 was over a $5000 card.
The Tiffany had to be in the high four figures at the time, but I will do some more research.
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To assume that any player is clean in that era is not the soundest policy, especially the superstars. Unfortunately, I would assume that means a lot of the "good guys" and some players who did not look like they were prepping for the cover of
Muscle and Fitness would have been using PED, as well.
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Not to get too off topic but cards with serial numbers and parallels and refractors and different colored borders are the biggest scam in the card collecting world. So we have the same card but now since yours is a "buyback" with a stamped number from 1-25 in silver, it’s worth more!? Really ..and why exactly? Oh because it just is. They only made 25 like the stamp says. Dude, you got scammed by the market. C'mon. Its marketing propaganda garbage. Sorry for that little rant but I see many collectors trying to obtain all the big stars in all the 800 varieties/colors that the manufacturer offers. Just give me 1 card from that player like the old days and I'll get it graded and hopefully I pull a 10 and if not, I'll buy one if I can afford it.
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You can add Rickey, Ripken, and Nolan to the list too.
You're kidding, right? Rickey and Nolan have both been accused many times.
It's a shame these guys don't get the positive publicity they deserve. Just think what the card would bring then!! I'm not a fan of Big Mac but can appreciate the records they set and man if you collected during the time he made the HR run this card was HOT and you saw it everywhere.
Unfortunately you have some people like Dan Besette that just want to forget about the 80's & 90's players.
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It's a shame these guys don't get the positive publicity they deserve. Just think what the card would bring then!! I'm not a fan of Big Mac but can appreciate the records they set and man if you collected during the time he made the HR run this card was HOT and you saw it everywhere.
Unfortunately you have some people like Dan Besette that just want to forget about the 80's & 90's players.
Bonds 2000-2004 stats still amaze me. I didn't follow baseball that closely at that time so I didn't know how great Bonds' numbers were. I remember Gammons or someone on Sportscenter comparing him to Ruth and Gehrig, but I couldn't believe those numbers were possible in the modern era.
With prices like those, I am so glad I wasn’t purchasing graded cards back then. I would hate myself every single day if I had bought an 86 Fleer Update of Bonds for around 4-5K. This is exactly the reason why I personally choose not to invest real money into modern cards. I don’t care if they are having a great year. Me personally, I enjoy collecting the Hall Of Famers or the guys who have proven themselves and have stood the test of time and that are retired. To spend big money on Trout cards in just 100% pure insanity. The guy obviously has what looks like a great career ahead of him but then so did many other stars in the 80's and 90's and look how now - most of their cards can be had in 10's next to nothing.
Not to get too off topic but cards with serial numbers and parallels and refractors and different colored borders are the biggest scam in the card collecting world. So we have the same card but now since yours is a "buyback" with a stamped number from 1-25 in silver, it’s worth more!? Really ..and why exactly? Oh because it just is. They only made 25 like the stamp says. Dude, you got scammed by the market. C'mon. Its marketing propaganda garbage. Sorry for that little rant but I see many collectors trying to obtain all the big stars in all the 800 varieties/colors that the manufacturer offers. Just give me 1 card from that player like the old days and I'll get it graded and hopefully I pull a 10 and if not, I'll buy one if I can afford it.
Marc, this is spot on and you pretty much put my thoughts into words as I was too lazy to respond lol. I'm all for people collecting what they like, but I feel that modern collecting has gone the way of playing "scratch tickets" trying to pull the big hit, or trying to collect the 2400 different variations of one card because one has a purple border instead of red and they made 3 less of the purple so it is worth way more! Hogwash...I'm glad I never got sucked into that. I collect up until 1994, but only because that was the last year real OPC baseball was made. I can remember insert mania setting in in the mid-90's and it was ridiculous.
Anyhow, concerning McGwire and especially Clemens, they were huge when I was a kid and will never forget the childhood memories they gave me and for that, I will always collect them. Bonds as well. It's been said before, but Clemens and Bonds would have been HOF'ers no matter what they took. I get the same excitement pulling them out of a pack of 1989 Topps nowadays as I did in 1989 when I blew my allowance money on wax packs back then....I will always have an attachment to that era...childhood heroes.
And it's Tiffany!!
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It's a shame these guys don't get the positive publicity they deserve. Just think what the card would bring then!! I'm not a fan of Big Mac but can appreciate the records they set and man if you collected during the time he made the HR run this card was HOT and you saw it everywhere.
Unfortunately you have some people like Dan Besette that just want to forget about the 80's & 90's players.
1. My #1 collecting focus is an 80s player
2. I never made any blanket statements about players from the 80s, 90s, or any other decade.
3. Whatever happened to being free to collect what you like? You're free to collect juicers and I'm free to purge juicers from my collection, just like harvak is free to shoot for 30 trout variations and Marc and Jimmy are free to abhor modern color variations.
Other than that, though, you accurately assessed me, what I think and what I said. Really spot on. Just don't let pesky things like facts, accuracy, reality or truth get in the way.
Sorry man I was just posting. I wasn't directing anything to you. Honestly timing is everything and the PED guys just played at the wrong time. It's a shame. Bottom line is they hit all those home runs. I don't care what they took, it happened. It's not like it was a magic bean that allowed bonds and Sosa to crank out all those home runs, it still took talent that no one else had. It is funny to see how bonds physical appearance changed from when he was a rook to being retired. He literally looks like a science project
It's a shame these guys don't get the positive publicity they deserve. Just think what the card would bring then!! I'm not a fan of Big Mac but can appreciate the records they set and man if you collected during the time he made the HR run this card was HOT and you saw it everywhere.
Unfortunately you have some people like Dan Besette that just want to forget about the 80's & 90's players.
1. My #1 player I collect is an 80s player
2. I never made any blanket statements about players from the 80s, 90s, or any other decade.
3. Whatever happened to being free to collect what you like? You're free to collect juicers and I'm free to purge juicers from my collection, just like harvak is free to shoot for 30 trout variations and Marc and Jimmy are free to abhor modern color variations.
Other than that, though, you accurately assessed what I said. Just don't let pesky things like facts, accuracy, reality or truth get in the way.
Bonds 2000-2004 stats still amaze me. I didn't follow baseball that closely at that time so I didn't know how great Bonds' numbers were. I remember Gammons or someone on Sportscenter comparing him to Ruth and Gehrig, but I couldn't believe those numbers were possible in the modern era.
If you take steroids out of the equation, and simply look at on-field output/performance, nobody has ever hit better than Bonds did those 5 years. No one. And those 5 years were in a stretch of *13* straight seasons of 1.000+ OPS for Bonds. Unreal.