Hope no one here bought this fake.

addicted2ebay

Where to begin? $7,500 ouch. Hopefully the buyer sees its no good in hand and can return it.

57mantle

Stingray

That slab is messed up!!

LarkinCollector

Slab style looks familiar, PRO perhaps?

ugaskidawg

Looking at the sellers recent sales, he is selling legit stuff. I'm wondering if the seller is not educated on this type of stuff. He saw the card was slabbed with a PSA label and viola.

Dpeck100

Is that a fake card?

Looks like a NM-MT card inside.

addicted2ebay

Originally posted by: Dpeck100
Is that a fake card?

Looks like a NM-MT card inside.

I'm 90% sure the cards no good. Back looks way off.

Slab is definitely bogus.

LOTSOS

They went as far as getting the bar code right as it scans in the app. Just curious, for those of us newbies are there different generation of the PSA holder and if so what are the differences.



Kevin

JJCTHE1

Man would have fooled me. Thank for sharing.

KendallCat

I saw the listing and right off the bat i thought the centering was messed up - way too much border on EVERY side.

KC

mattyc_collection

Originally posted by: KendallCat
I saw the listing and right off the bat i thought the centering was messed up - way too much border on EVERY side.

KC

Yes, too much border on all sides for a 57 Mick.

The slab is horrible and leaped out at me as off.

From the feedback, I'd venture the seller is legit and just got fooled on this one.

travis t

He's sold off some pretty valuable vintage cards. How is he being fooled?

KendallCat

Originally posted by: DM23HOF

Originally posted by: KendallCat
I saw the listing and right off the bat i thought the centering was messed up - way too much border on EVERY side.

KC

Yes, too much border on all sides for a 57 Mick.

The slab is horrible and leaped out at me as off.

From the feedback, I'd venture the seller is legit and just got fooled on this one.

Matt

I would agree with you. Perfect feedback and sells cards. Probably got fooled when he bought it himself.

KC

MrNearMint

Would have fooled me too. Is it a fake card inside a real psa case? A fake card in a fake case?

Besides the label peeling off on the corners, what exactly is wrong with it?

sinoth23

Anybody have any links/reference guides for picking out fakes? I bought the Sportscard counterfeit book by Bob Lemke, but didn't see anything for 1956-1957 cards. Thanks

addicted2ebay

#1 slab is too large and does not say Psa on it. Probably pro or gma.

I'm not sure how to explain spotting fake cards. I've looked and tens of thousands of originals over the last 30 years, you just get a eye for it after awhile.

LarkinCollector

Originally posted by: MrNearMint
A fake card in a fake case?

This. There's no 'PSA' logo embossed on the slab in the lower right of front or back. Bumpers inside the slab look nothing like PSAs. Card borders are too wide for any 57. Flip might be real, but looks photocopied on the front, back at least looks like foil, but again the lack of crispness makes me think it's photocopied as well.

travis t

I guess I'll ask again. How is he being fooled?!?!?!? He perpetrated a lie.

addicted2ebay

Originally posted by: travis t
I guess I'll ask again. How is he being fooled?!?!?!? He perpetrated a lie.

I agree they probably knew.

K

K

It's as if the card in question is in "hi-def"

Also the pic looks too crisp inside the white border.

Just my opinion though.

Stone193

I was just curious.



PSA has never had a holder like that - this is the oldest I have - got it from Mike Baker in 1992 at the National.



Though hard to see - they put "PSA" in the lower right corner of the holder even back then.



And, it's not an "Arrowhead" holder from what I can see.

slum22

Kevin (LOTSOS),

Here is an informative thread regarding changes to PSA's labels over the years. I apologize I can't make a direct link, maybe someone can help us out with it:

https://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=11&threadid=846031

muffins

Dropping seventy-five hundo should at least get you a nice, flat, starched flip.



And always a good thing to ask to see the entire slab when dropping that kind of...Doh!

LOTSOS

Steve,



Thank you very much for taking the time to share this. That's exactly what I was wondering about. It's a shame that PSA itself doesn't have this type of authentication info on its web site. Now I'm sure that some would use the info for nefarious purposes but I would think that as THE 3rd party authenticator you would make it readily available to help collectors. I have a few of the different holders already in my collection so I figured there had to be variations over the years. Lucky for me not to many people take the time to fake 70s Hockey cards that aren't one of the biggies. I would imagine that baseball has to be by far the most counterfeited.



Thanks again,

Kevin

Stone193

Don't understand why I can't use the regular link method Steve?

Stone193

slum22: Kevin (LOTSOS),



Here is an informative thread regarding changes to PSA's labels over the years. I apologize I can't make a direct link, maybe someone can help us out with it

LINK



And now I got it to work!

LOTSOS

I was just browsing the bay and stumbled across a bunch of cards graded by Grademycards.co and they use what appears to be the exact same holder as the Mantle. Not sure one has anything to do with the other but I don't think I've ever seen any other hockey cards graded by them before today. At $2 a card it seems like quit the bargain!





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grote15

Looks like the buyer paid, too.

Stone193

This is interesting.



I contacted the seller and asked where they got the card.



The way I phrased the inquiry, the seller thought "I" was the buyer and sent me this response:







I'm guessing the guy just might not know what he originally bought?



Or just a "smart" crook?

addicted2ebay

Originally posted by: Stone193
This is interesting.

I contacted the seller and asked where they got the card.

The way I phrased the inquiry, the seller thought "I" was the buyer and sent me this response:



I'm guessing the guy just might not know what he originally bought?

Or just a "smart" crook?

Very interesting. Hopefully the buyer is made good and if the seller was infact scammed they can get a refund also.

bbcemporium

Originally posted by: sinoth23
Anybody have any links/reference guides for picking out fakes? I bought the Sportscard counterfeit book by Bob Lemke, but didn't see anything for 1956-1957 cards. Thanks

Here is an article I wrote a few years ago and just recently updated.

Article

I've also put together guides for some of the highly counterfeited cards here

Link

JBrules

Thanks for sharing the info. Very informative.

Originally posted by: bbcemporium

Originally posted by: sinoth23
Anybody have any links/reference guides for picking out fakes? I bought the Sportscard counterfeit book by Bob Lemke, but didn't see anything for 1956-1957 cards. Thanks

Here is an article I wrote a few years ago and just recently updated.

Article

I've also put together guides for some of the highly counterfeited cards here

Link

Stone193

A followup email from the seller.



Interesting.

Allen

That email to Mike raises a few flags to me. The fact that the seller says there is already an FBI investigation (so no need for you or anyone else to contact authorities), the fact that the seller was a woman (seems to always be part of a scam story) and the fact the seller casually accepts the multi thousand dollar loss as an expensive lesson. Just seems off, but that's just my opinion and the seller may be legit and not too upset they lost $4-$5K.

Stone193

Originally posted by: Allen

That email to Mike raises a few flags to me. The fact that the seller says there is already an FBI investigation (so no need for you or anyone else to contact authorities), the fact that the seller was a woman (seems to always be part of a scam story) and the fact the seller casually accepts the multi thousand dollar loss as an expensive lesson. Just seems off, but that's just my opinion and the seller may be legit and not too upset they lost $4-$5K.

I'll try to keep an open mind Colton.



But, for me, the message falls heavily into the TMI category.



I'm having to lean your way on this one.

KendallCat

Originally posted by: Stone193


A followup email from the seller.

Interesting.

Maybe the lady is also selling a 1975 Topps case as well....

grote15

Originally posted by: KendallCat

Originally posted by: Stone193





A followup email from the seller.



Interesting.

Maybe the lady is also selling a 1975 Topps case as well....

LOL, in that case, I sure hope her grandson and his friend are still around to watch over it.

jmmiller777

You guys are amazing! Like a fraud undercover task force. That just shows what a little attention to detail can do. Keep up the good work guys. There is stil that sight out there that shows each years things to look for on Mantle counterfeits. Surprisingly, there are some peculiar mistakes as well as the common tactics. I think the biggest thing is the lack of printing dots; people try and make high deff copies ( like this one), but the feel isn't there, the look is too obvious. The colors can be a real obvious indicator as well. Good work, and I like others think this guy knew what he was passing. I like the idea of blurring out PSA registration numbers when showing cards, but I guess that would be too much of a hassle.