1893 Canadian Five Cent

stash

I'm wondering if anyone has a Charlton 64th edition (2010), it has all the Varieties ( RPD ) for this coin . I know the 2013 Charlton has 2 different types of R/P'd 9 and a R/P'd 3.
I haven't seen any of the varieties ( RPD) for either book .
Any help with this RPD would be grateful .


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1960NYGiants

It looks like the RP-1 on page 366. Note: the RP 8 is common as it was done at the matrix. The RP 9 was done at the die. In EF it is valued at about $50CAD.

stash

Originally posted by: 1960NYGiants
It looks like the RP-1 on page 366. Note: the RP 8 is common as it was done at the matrix. The RP 9 was done at the die. In EF it is valued at about $50CAD.

Thanks for the info, it's a beauty ..


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YQQ

Nice coin ..
and Gene is right, as usual.

stash

Does anyone know if Pcgs will put RP-1 on the slab ?

syl

I doubt if they will put RP-1 on the slab, nor do I think that any other TPG will either, except in "remarks". I think that the last 2 digits for that date (and probably '91 & 92) were handpunched into the die so that there will be any number of repunches as to direction of the overpunch, amount of overlap, or rotation or canting. It will be alot like all the repunches for the 1859 large cents .. they can be all over the map. Since the working dies had blank spaces for the last 2 digits, it took 2-3 whacks with the hammer and punch to make a deep enough impression in the die to produce usable coins. There were hours, days, or weeks between the individual whacks with the hammer because the die had to be annealed (softened) and the punch hardened between the individual blows. Very seldom to hand repunches into the die end up exactly on top of each other. As Gene says, the 8 was recut on the matrix/hub so ALL of the dates will have the "repunched" 8 .. or at least all the working dies that used that hub.

stash

There should be different markers to tell them apart, just as any Variety does ?

syl

Yes, there will be diffinitive markers for coins struck by each working die. However, there will be no "common" name or designation for each one because there would be so many variables as far as offsets and direction. There were 1.7 million struck and probably average around 100,000 per die .. that makes 17 different placements of the last 2 digits. When we wrote the variety section for the Vicky large cents, we were able to get only 5 numbers (DP's 1-5) plus 2 9/6's and 2 TP's to be accepted by Charlton, Trends, and the major TPG's, including ICCS. I would imagine that they could put what they want in the remarks section (L/R, Hi/Lo, R/L, Lo/Hi, etc). BTW, Charlton owns the names (copyright) for DP's 1-5 and the R/P numbers that appear in Charlton and then used (with Charlton's permission) in Trends and TPG holders. You have a nice variety and it's a keeper .. give it your own name. CCCS will normally put whatever the customer wants on their holders .. that's one of the reasons that there is so much confusion is giving newly published (last 10 years or so) varieties a name that is universally accepted.

stash

One last question, does anyone know what kind of price guide for a RP-1 in MS-64 shape is worth . For insurance purposes only . I did just buy the Charlton 64th edition (2010), used for 3 bucks, ( still waiting on book in the mail ) but I think those prices are a little high ....

syl

Why do you want to know the MS-64 price. I think that your coin is AU .. wear on Vicky's hair & eyebrow. I know 3 people (dedicated collectors of high grade)that collect the 5 cent silvers and I'll try to find out. One of them (and the person who wrote the 64th variety section) is Brian Cornwell of ICCS fame & owner.

luckybucks

Very nice early Canadian 5 cent.

stash

Originally posted by: syl
I think that your coin is AU .. wear on Vicky's hair & eyebrow. .

There's no wear on the eyebrow .

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