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Leave a Negative? What would you do?

TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
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I bought a note on eBay from a buy it now listing. I paid and then shortly thereafter, the transaction was cancelled and my money was refunded. The seller said I was late and someone else already bought the note. After a couple of messages, the seller said someone emailed him and purchased the note and he was commited to that buyer.



Now the sticky wicket is I have purchased many notes by emailing sellers, offering an amount, and the seller ends the listing and sells me the note. The difference here was the BIN transaction was completed and I paid.



Am I a picky jerk for my gut saying I should leave a negative?



What would you do?







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  • delistampsdelistamps Posts: 714 ✭✭✭
    If the refund was prompt I'd let it go. Karma.
  • Jim61Jim61 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭
    Me too. You will feel better about it after a good nights sleep. image


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  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
    I put this up on the coin side too since it has so many active participants. I think I will go with neutral and say why on the post.

    Neutral seems reasonable. I needed some opinions first, since I was emotionally involved at the time image
  • larry510larry510 Posts: 566 ✭✭
    I'll be the dissenter here. I think that deserves a negative all the way as long as you paid within 3 days. Definitely a neutral if you don't want to leave negative.
  • numbersmannumbersman Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭✭
    This has happened to me ,sad to say,numerous times.My only advice is wait at least a day-sleep on it if you will,and then go with your gut.Some sellers have a legitimate situation,some don't.That stated,some handle it well,some don't.Truth is,the seller should have ended the auction/sale once he had a deal in place.If he leaves it up for sale too long then it's a mistake the seller made and he should honor the buy it now.The feedback system,as weak as it is,does serve a purpose.Just my opinion.
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  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
    Larry, yup I paid instantly. He had it set up as immediate payment req'd.



    Numbersman, I agree. I will not take any action on leaving feedback for at least a day or two.
  • larry510larry510 Posts: 566 ✭✭
    We shouldn't let seller's get away with crap like that because they'll do it again if no consequences. Unacceptable to me.
  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
    Very valid point!
  • DanCongDanCong Posts: 196 ✭
    Put your shoes on their feet .... (clean socks tho)..... You are the seller and made a mistake and the note listed was sold or not available ... would u want a negative if you immediately sent a refund and explanation ? Me thinks not.
  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
    I made the purchase within mere minutes of the listing being generated. I devilishly doubted the story that the note was sold quicker than my lightning fast mouse button pushing finger image
  • AndresAndres Posts: 977 ✭✭✭
    Was there a message that this seller offered the note on other sites beside eBay, or had it also for sale in a brick&mortar shop ?
    some eBay sellers do give that info.
    Then I would give no Feedback at all.
    otherwise I would give him a Negative, or open a case with Ebay and insist that he delivers the note to you.
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  • delistampsdelistamps Posts: 714 ✭✭✭
    Don't leave any feedback for awhile (what's the rush?). Keep an eye out for the note being relisted at a higher price.
  • daveudaveu Posts: 97 ✭✭✭
    How important is this note to you?

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  • larry510larry510 Posts: 566 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: DanCong

    Put your shoes on their feet .... (clean socks tho)..... You are the seller and made a mistake and the note listed was sold or not available ... would u want a negative if you immediately sent a refund and explanation ? Me thinks not.




    If there was a compelling and believable reason as to why it happened of course I would listen. But this doesn't sound like that type of thing to me. But I agree no hurry on the feedback.
  • gnatgnat Posts: 392 ✭✭✭
    Not sure I would neg, bit if it was a rip or something very special, I can imagine being upset.
  • EastCoastCurrencyEastCoastCurrency Posts: 117 ✭✭✭
    Tough call. I guess it depends on how good a deal you got. If it was criminally good and the seller legitimately had it priced way too cheaply either by error or lack of knowledge, then I would probably just let the matter die. If it was a note I wanted that is difficult to replace and the price was reasonable, then I would at least leave a neutral.
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  • KT5SilverKT5Silver Posts: 162 ✭✭✭
    I strongly agree with Larry and I would neg. I am disappointed that we are so quick to make excuses for sellers. IF you list a note to cheap and it sells the seller should be committed to the transaction. Why is this not reasonable?

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  • synchrsynchr Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭✭
    Phpne ebay and speak with a representative, explain that you won and paid but did not get your item and that the seller is violating Ebay's rules.
  • larry510larry510 Posts: 566 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: KT5Silver

    I strongly agree with Larry and I would neg. I am disappointed that we are so quick to make excuses for sellers. IF you list a note to cheap and it sells the seller should be committed to the transaction. Why is this not reasonable?




    I won a note last year on a regular 7 day auction and paid for it as soon as it ended. Seller cancelled and refunded my payment. I wrote and asked why and he said he expected to get more and wasn't going to sell it for the price I won it for. I absolutely left a negative.
  • underbidderunderbidder Posts: 25 ✭✭✭
    I think that on a buy-it-now if they don't have your money and cancelled the auction you are unable to leave them a negative.

    Stuff happens. I schedule my listings to go up at a certain time. So they could sell before that time. And once in a blue moon someone buys on eBay and the website overnight. Can't do much about that unless I want to drop money and spend a ton of time on a piece of software to stop that.

    If you catch it being relisted you neg for sure if you can.
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  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    I'd say let it go if it's not too late. He was late in ending the listing. Besides karma, you're above this.image
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  • DepressionscripGuyDepressionscripGuy Posts: 369 ✭✭✭
    At a minimum, a neutral is warranted. But depending on the sellers excuse, I would leave a negative. I ran into this once as well. I came across one note at a good price and did the buyitnow. Then checked his other auctions and there were more, so I loaded up and paid immediately. But, I got refunded on some as they were sold at the same time through his website. I checked his website and they were listed on there so it was a believable excuse.
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  • franklinfeverfranklinfever Posts: 19 ✭
    If i'm reading this right, you emailed and came to an agreement outside of ebay. I'm assuming you paid thru paypay and avoided the ebay fees (for the seller). I'd just drop it and as underbidder stated, the auction was closed so it never happened. No way to leave a neg.
  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: franklinfever

    If i'm reading this right, you emailed and came to an agreement outside of ebay. I'm assuming you paid thru paypay and avoided the ebay fees (for the seller). I'd just drop it and as underbidder stated, the auction was closed so it never happened. No way to leave a neg.






    I placed the BIN purchase through eBay within 3-5 minutes of the listing being generated. The seller cancelled the order and said someone else bought the note before me. They had emailed him and he was supposedly selling them the note off eBay.



    Strangely the feedback link is working and will allow me to submit. The BIN had multiple lots at a fixed price which must be the difference.

  • JIMfromDCJIMfromDC Posts: 57 ✭✭
    So its okay for you to buy notes from sellers off ebay (as we all do) but when the note gets sold off ebay to another buyer and the seller happens not to end the listing soon enough you want to leave a negative?



    just let it go or stop making offers off ebay - can't have it both ways. my 2 cents.
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  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree Jim, it was just a bummer at the time and felt suspect since I bought it so quickly. Surprisingly, this was the first time I had this type of experience on eBay. ....I'm lucky I haven't had tougher luck this many years in! image
  • numbersmannumbersman Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭✭
    Rob,forget the neg.....let me have his address and I'll send Moose and Rocco over to help him locate the note for you.
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  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
    That's a deal Numbersman. PM sent image

  • vonbraunvonbraun Posts: 26 ✭✭
    If it's cancelled you can not do anything anyway. But as long as it's legit why would you look to hurt someone . This is generally not something you can do full time anymore the money is not there , so it's a part time thing . There are no secretaries and the like , you get home from the 9 to 5 with your head all over the place and mistakes happen . And if you do it full time you HAVE to sell coins , there are just more collectors out there . And those dealers think paper collectors are the ***** children of collecting any way .
  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭✭
    The link still works for me to post feedback, but I'm going to leave it be. ...If the seller relists the item before the opportunity to leave feedback expires, then all bets are off! image



    At least it gave an opportunity to provide a little drama to the boards.
  • synchrsynchr Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: underbidder
    I think that on a buy-it-now if they don't have your money and cancelled the auction you are unable to leave them a negative.


    Respectfully disagree. The transaction transoired, seller got the cash and teh ebay auction WILL allow the buyer to leave negative feedback. The Seller did not hold up his end of the transacation and as Ebay states multiple times "these auctions are a binding contract to both parties".

    I think the purpose of Neg is to inform others of your transaction, you held up your end of the bargain and he was a terrible trader.
  • techwritertechwriter Posts: 584 ✭✭
    Robert, just leaving it be for a while is the 'best' option; if you don't leave feedback for a while you'll receive a friendly reminder from eBay (happened to me). So just let it ride for the time being and see how it plays out. At least you got your money back and that's a little consolation but I would indeed keep a sharp watch. My 3 cent worth(due to inflation)

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Morality, ethics and the law are absolutely relative to the situation, the enormity of it, vs. pettiness. Technically you have a contract, he broke the contract without sufficient or provable cause. I would reserve the negatives for those who are doing the most damage to the hobby and making a living doing that, the peddlers of problem material represented as pq or high grade to those who don't know the difference. They should be limited until they clean up their act. Some mistakes are harmless, if there is a pattern or it is just a type of deception it should be addressed. Or you could report the seller. Or go over their head if they are members of a numismatic organization.
  • notehunter494notehunter494 Posts: 42 ✭
    As you know I generally side on the "wait and see" with these eBay transactions, but a Buy It Now that is immediately paid for is a done deal. It is inexcusable to cancel such a transaction. An immediate big red Negative is in perfect order.
  • franklinfeverfranklinfever Posts: 19 ✭
    Give him a big fat NEUTRAL with a comment as to why and move on. If someone else gets nailed like this, we then have a pattern. Then someone can see the neutral and comment and complete the job by leaving negative.
  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the guy apologized profusely and indicated the reasons why the snafu happened, offering some type of free or discounted option, that would probably help. "A soft answer turns away wrath".
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