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1975 topps rack boxes--BBCE

Might be time for a board group rip if anyone can secure a little discount on those 1975 Rack boxes.
Some amazing stuff shown on BBCE facebook page from its website and pictures of its booth at the national
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  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    Stiffler needs to mobilize the troops. Let's do it.
    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • Let's do it.
    Joe

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  • KendallCatKendallCat Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What are they asking? Might be where we get 2-3 of us and just split it a few ways. I will see Steve tomorrow and see what happens.

    KC
  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭✭
    $500 per pack, wow... that needs to be FASC or something.
  • lseeconlseecon Posts: 318 ✭✭
    Listed price is $12,000 per box. I assume there are 24 racks so $500 per rack. That seems a bit high. But Id be interested in $400 to $450 per if the boxes have not been searched. Does anyone know if 1975s have known sequencing? Can someone pull all racks with possible Younts or Bretts?
  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    FASC and I'll pay a premium. If not, guaranteed the stars are pulled already.
    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • KendallCatKendallCat Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    75 racks go for $500-600 and with stars showing they are even higher.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can really tell the cupboards are getting dry. BBCE sure has some impressive stuff but every year it gets thinner and the prices get higher. I remember the last AC show (2004?) they had about 40 baseball packs with stars showing, mostly 1960s packs. That's where I picked up my '69 pack with Nettles RC showing and 1968 pack with Aaron AS showing. I'm sure there are still a few hoards out there but not that many. I think the best source will be collectors who know what they have and stashed it away to be sold when their number is up.
  • I'd likely be in.
  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭
    The price is more than reasonable, and it's unlikely the boxes will last very long (just think about how many 75 racks you have seen in eBay recently versus the last few years....much less than before). I doubt any discount is possible during the show on just a single box.

    There is a sequencing within the racks. It is not a guaranteed fact, but it is usually the case.

    As for FASC or not, should not matter. All the racks are good (or Steve would not have approved the box). Sometimes he indicates when a rack with a key star is showing (e.g. Brett RC), but often he doesn't. Someone can ask and I am sure he would tell you what
    he saw when he checked out the box. Even if star racks were pulled there is strong likelihood that some nice stars will be found in
    these racks as long as they are in nice shape and the centering is decent.

    If the boxes are there on Friday I will ask and report back for possible group break.


    Dave
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't believe these are FASC. My understanding is that they also don't have Topps header cards, but White Sox team header cards that were given away by a bank in the Chicago area for opening new accounts. In that sense, they would be similar to 74 racks with team header cards.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For those who aren't too familiar with 75's, an Aaron or Ryan PSA 9 would bring almost
    as much as a Brett PSA 9. The Aaron and Ryan are very tough to find nicely centered,
    and the Aaron frequently has print defects.
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Darin
    For those who aren't too familiar with 75's, an Aaron or Ryan PSA 9 would bring almost
    as much as a Brett PSA 9. The Aaron and Ryan are very tough to find nicely centered,
    and the Aaron frequently has print defects.


    That's likely true, but since they are tough to find nicely centered, the likelihood is that would be the case here too. That's the gambling aspect of ripping I don't really understand. Probability dictates that the nicest cards you pull will be high pop cards. I guess I'm just not a gambler.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Racks are the best source for mint cards, though. It is a gamble, but there are worse ways to gamble your money when you factor in the thrill of ripping the rack. You only live once! image


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: grote15
    the thrill of ripping the rack. You only live once! image

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  • KurtisJosephKurtisJoseph Posts: 214 ✭✭✭
    I called on the box and the header card, as Grote mentioned, is not the customary red. Very rare. I've never seen this before. I'm not questioning legitimacy... I'm curious tho if that hurts or helps value.
  • lseeconlseecon Posts: 318 ✭✭
    I think it hurts the value to the purist unopened collectors. Similar to the player header cards for the 1971 Topps racks. The legitimate ones sell for a discount (maybe 20 to 25% discount) to the non player header card 1971 Racks. For the "rippers" I guess they dont care as much assuming they are legitimate and unsearched.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say it's not as detrimental as the player header card 71 racks (many of which are fabricated) for which there is a signifcant difference in value but more akin to 74 racks with team header cards which did contain Topps product codes.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭
    hello everyone--I do not doubt authenticity if Steve says they are legit-- but I would not buy a rack let alone box of those type of racks
  • VintagemanEdVintagemanEd Posts: 928 ✭✭✭
    So the rack is a better buy for ripping than the wax box Steve has?
  • Arsenal83Arsenal83 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭
    Care to elaborate?
  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: flatfoot816
    hello everyone--I do not doubt authenticity if Steve says they are legit-- but I would not buy a rack let alone box of those type of racks



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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: VintagemanEd

    So the rack is a better buy for ripping than the wax box Steve has?




    75 regular sized wax packs are tougher to find than 75 racks, so price per card, unit wise, is much higher for wax vs rack.



    Does Steve have a 75 regular sized wax box for sale?



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • VintagemanEdVintagemanEd Posts: 928 ✭✭✭
    Yes I think it was like $13,000...... He had a 74 for 10k I think
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: VintagemanEd

    Yes I think it was like $13,000...... He had a 74 for 10k I think






    That is a fair price if box is original.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • KendallCatKendallCat Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tim - Will take a peek tomorrow and let you know what I see. Also, you have a Pm to check when you get a chance.

    KC
  • jmmiller777jmmiller777 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭
    Ya, I am in for 1 or 2.
    CURRENT PROJECTS IN WORK:
    To be honest, no direction, but...
    1966-69 Topps EX+
    1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9
    All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
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  • FASC boxes from the seventies are virtually gone. If you can buy one now it is your best unopened investment as they are almost IMPOSSIBLE to find.

    We all knew this was coming.

    For those that say FASC or not doesn't matter as long as BBCE authenticates I wholeheartedly disagree. BBCE does not check to make sure the racks haven't been thumbed through and sequenced, they only check that the racks haven't been tampered with and are authentic. So basically, a majority of the cards from these racks have a certain probability of being skunked.

    FASC however, is as pure as it gets. 100% guaranteed unsearched. As time progress I believe we'll see FASC command a higher and higher premium over loose racks.

    Time is ticking.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: grote15

    Racks are the best source for mint cards, though. It is a gamble, but there are worse ways to gamble your money when you factor in the thrill of ripping the rack. You only live once! image




    Best spin of the year award goes to....



    Mike
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Stone193

    Originally posted by: grote15

    Racks are the best source for mint cards, though. It is a gamble, but there are worse ways to gamble your money when you factor in the thrill of ripping the rack. You only live once! image




    Best spin of the year award goes to....







    image



    My understanding is that these boxes with the White Sox team header cards were part of a giveaway by the bank during the year of issue and are fully intact. It would be impossible to switch out any of these racks as you can't find replacements for them.



    I recall the last 75 rack box break we had here on CU with standard headers featured several racks with Brett and/or Yount rookie cards within..



    While it is possible a rack has been sequenced, it is also true that sequencing breaks multiple times within each section and can vary. Otherwise, every rack would have the same cards on front and back of each section. Additionally, the thicker cello wrap Topps used for mid 70s racks would make them very difficult to thumb through.





    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: grote15

    Originally posted by: Stone193

    Originally posted by: grote15

    Racks are the best source for mint cards, though. It is a gamble, but there are worse ways to gamble your money when you factor in the thrill of ripping the rack. You only live once! image




    Best spin of the year award goes to....







    image



    My understanding is that these boxes with the White Sox team header cards were part of a giveaway by the bank during the year of issue and are fully intact. It would be impossible to switch out any of these racks as you can't find replacements for them.



    I recall the last 75 rack box break we had here on CU with standard headers featured several racks with Brett and/or Yount rookie cards within..





    Tim, any idea how those racks (team header cards) were issued? When I first heard what was within the boxes, my first thought was about how those kind of packs were originally issued. I have no idea, but I just envisioned those kind of packs being issued in bulk and not in the traditional retail rack boxes.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: baz518

    Originally posted by: grote15

    Originally posted by: Stone193

    Originally posted by: grote15

    Racks are the best source for mint cards, though. It is a gamble, but there are worse ways to gamble your money when you factor in the thrill of ripping the rack. You only live once! image




    Best spin of the year award goes to....







    image



    My understanding is that these boxes with the White Sox team header cards were part of a giveaway by the bank during the year of issue and are fully intact. It would be impossible to switch out any of these racks as you can't find replacements for them.



    I recall the last 75 rack box break we had here on CU with standard headers featured several racks with Brett and/or Yount rookie cards within..





    Tim, any idea how those racks (team header cards) were issued? When I first heard what was within the boxes, my first thought was about how those kind of packs were originally issued. I have no idea, but I just envisioned those kind of packs being issued in bulk and not in the traditional retail rack boxes.




    This was the first I had heard of it for 75 racks, but 74 racks with team header cards were distributed at MLB stadiums by certain teams as fan giveaways. Orioles, Tigers and A's come to mind offhand.





    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • ClockworkAngelClockworkAngel Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭
    I would love to see the BBCE selection this year. That booth was always so fun to check out.

    I agree with others that the price of the 75 Rack box is more than fair. The reality is Steve can price his unopened anywhere he wants and he'd probably sell it. In a way, the unopened market belongs to him and he sets the prices. This stuff pops up so rarely these days and when it does it sells quickly regardless of price. He might do a small discount just because he's such a good guy about stuff like that, but he does't have to as he will sell this regardless and it will be worth 25% more in 6 months.

    The unopened market is scarce, but I just wonder how many collectors/investors are out there that have picked up vintage wax over the past 10 years and holding it.

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  • Savvy collectors hard been recording sequencing, especially for the most valuable card locations, since it was worthwhile to do so. And it's not the thickness of the cellophane that is the most significant rather the free space in the panel that makes thumbing possible. Unfortunately, all racks have enough space to search them, that space is what preserved the sharp corners.

    That's why I'd gladly pay double for a box FASC than one that is not. PM me if you have one.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are sequencing patterns for Topps products, but sequencing does break multiple times in each section or pack (otherwise each pack would feature same card on front and back) and can also vary. The cards in mid 70s racks are pretty tightly packaged with far less give due to thicker cello wrap and I can't imagine anyone being able to thumb through the cards to see anything other than possibly the color combos, though I suppose anything is possible. The last non-FASC 75 rack box break here on CU yielded multiple key cards, including Brett and Yount, so there are still plenty of unsearched racks out there. I've also opened my fair share of racks over the years to confirm this, as well.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • Yes sequencing certainly breaks and there are numerous variations to sequences as well. That said, what a savvy collector can easily do, in any rack pack, is fan the first couple and last couple of cards with their thumb to see how alignment runs through a given panel. This tends to be rather consistent per panel so the collector can eliminate low "quality" packs and focus on the ones with the greatest potential.

    With packs from a case you eliminate all of this. Then again, you could get a skunk box or case lol But at least you know it was the Gods that decided this and not a collector, unless the collector knew the sequence of serials for the cases!

    These days Frankenstein boxes appear to be overvalued when natural ones are undervalued. I expect this to correct itself in the coming years.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OTOH, a nicely centered loose rack may be a better gamble to rip vs a rack FASC in which centering is unknown. We saw that firsthand with the 79 rack case break a while back. I've had great success with loose racks over the years with excellent results and for anything prior to 1978, FASC is virtually impossible anyway.. I do agree that FASC is worth a premium, though, even if that premium is not as significant in today's market as you'd think, particularly for the more plentiful years from 1978 forward.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • This is certainly true Grote. However, IME loose racks tend to be on the weaker side when it comes to centering as many collectors have already ripped the nicely centered ones.
  • ElvisPElvisP Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: KendallCat
    75 racks go for $500-600 and with stars showing they are even higher.


    Think you are a little high. Ones on eBay sold in the last 6 weeks range from $304 to $380. One went as low as $224.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ElvisP

    Originally posted by: KendallCat

    75 racks go for $500-600 and with stars showing they are even higher.




    Think you are a little high. Ones on eBay sold in the last 6 weeks range from $304 to $380. One went as low as $224.







    Centering was brutal on most of those and many had been punched and hung for sale previously and were being listed by a low feedback seller.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭✭
    There are plenty of nice (loose) racks that come to market. In fact, some even come from original owners.... being sold by the pack from a FASC box (just not labeled as such). The key is the source, and there's still a lot of good sources out there IMO. With older packs, I think the nicer ones have just found there way into the pc of true collectors and don't change hands much.
  • KurtisJosephKurtisJoseph Posts: 214 ✭✭✭
    Many of the 75 racks posted on eBay in the last year have been in pretty poor condition though, thus the softer pricing. $500+ is not unreasonable for one that lacks yellowing and doesn't have splits or tears. Toss a major star on the front with no machine marks and they get bid up pretty nicely.
  • flatfoot816flatfoot816 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭
    I sold 2 75 racks to a board member for $550 each 2 months ago and he wanted more of them. He ACTUALLY RIPPED THEM--so I did not sell him more. Guess who??
  • Looks to me like mid $300s for poorly centered '75 racks and low to mid $400s for nicely centered ones is what the eBay rate has been.

    Makes sense that Steve would ask $500 seeing how he'll usually give a 10% discount.

    $550 seems to be overpaying, especially if the buyer never got to see the packs first.
  • coinspackscoinspacks Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭✭
    this seems to be one of the last auctions for a case of 1975 racks....quite a price difference in 6 years



    http://www.robertedwardauction.../auction/2010/809.html
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: coinspacks

    this seems to be one of the last auctions for a case of 1975 racks....quite a price difference in 6 years



    http://www.robertedwardauction.../auction/2010/809.html






    I remember back then you could get a PSA 9 Brett RC for $400, too.







    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • KendallCatKendallCat Posts: 2,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: grote15
    Originally posted by: ElvisP
    Originally posted by: KendallCat
    75 racks go for $500-600 and with stars showing they are even higher.


    Think you are a little high. Ones on eBay sold in the last 6 weeks range from $304 to $380. One went as low as $224.



    Centering was brutal on most of those and many had been punched and hung for sale previously and were being listed by a low feedback seller.


    Show me a clean 75 rack pack with no holes or tears and I will deliver $304 or $380 to you. A legit clean rack is in the high $400-550 range - if they ever come available.
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  • NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: flatfoot816

    I sold 2 75 racks to a board member for $550 each 2 months ago and he wanted more of them. He ACTUALLY RIPPED THEM--so I did not sell him more. Guess who??








    Just to set the record straight, Manny, your buyer bought the 1975 racks for $450 each delivered. Not $550 - your buyer wasn't that crazy!



    Nikklos
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Nikklos

    Originally posted by: flatfoot816

    I sold 2 75 racks to a board member for $550 each 2 months ago and he wanted more of them. He ACTUALLY RIPPED THEM--so I did not sell him more. Guess who??








    Just to set the record straight, Manny, your buyer bought the 1975 racks for $450 each delivered. Not $550 - your buyer wasn't that crazy!







    Manny was never that good at math, LOL..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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