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Never run into an Ebay seller like this before...
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So I win an auction for a cheap PCGS MS64 Franklin Half on Ebay. I pay. The seller promptly ships. But he problem is the seller sends me a different date/mintmark. Based on the PCGS Price Guide (as a frame of reference), both coins have a $27 value. Ok, I got something for the same value, although not the coin I purchased. So I wonder whether I got the coin that someone else purchased and vice versa. I check his sold auctions. I see the same PCGS Franklin Half he sold me has 4 other sold auctions in the past month. I see it's currently being sold in an auction. Selling the same coin 5 times in a month, no wonder he sent me the wrong coin. So I read the long blathering text of his auction. Hidden in the middle he states that the coin pictured isn't the coin being purchased but any random MS64 Franklin Half. Sort of like the legal small print even though the auction title specifically said the date/mintmark or the coin pictured.
So I filled out an "item not as described" think on Ebay. I get a very rude Ebay message from him telling me I should have read his auction. But according to Ebay rules, he must pay my return shipping and provide a full refund, including shipping. He did accept my return on Ebay's terms of paying return shipping with full refund along with another rude Ebay message.
But It's too much trouble to return it and the date I got is a date I need, so ultimately I'm ok with keeping the coin I received. But, I'll let him think a return is coming and in the 4 days or so, my return request will expire with the shipping label he supplied not being printed (no charge to him). It's just one of those sellers who purposely tries to mislead.
So I filled out an "item not as described" think on Ebay. I get a very rude Ebay message from him telling me I should have read his auction. But according to Ebay rules, he must pay my return shipping and provide a full refund, including shipping. He did accept my return on Ebay's terms of paying return shipping with full refund along with another rude Ebay message.
But It's too much trouble to return it and the date I got is a date I need, so ultimately I'm ok with keeping the coin I received. But, I'll let him think a return is coming and in the 4 days or so, my return request will expire with the shipping label he supplied not being printed (no charge to him). It's just one of those sellers who purposely tries to mislead.
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This is what negative feedback is made for. He's in violation of eBay policy anyway, no stock photos allowed.
Yes, in about a week, he'll get a negative feedback.
I really got a good deal on the price so I'll keep the coin I received. He says he'll give me the full refund but he won't send me the correct coin. Whereas the other 4 people and I each bought the coin at a straight auction at a good price over the past month (and got shipped something different), he's now selling the coin as a BIN at a higher price. It appears he wasn't happy with the auction prices he was receiving so he just kept recycling the same coin in another auction.
He is wrong to post stock photos, but if you were satisfied with the coin you received, I'd simply move on.
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I wouldn't have initiated a return if I had no intention of returning the item. In my opinion, that is misleading, as well.
He is wrong to post stock photos, but if you were satisfied with the coin you received, I'd simply move on.
I decided after initiating the return that it was more hassle than it's worth and that I'll keep the coin. That's when I also learned that he wouldn't be sending me the coin pictured and described in the auction title.
But unless he was REALLY rude, I'd give him a neutral for this particular set of offenses, instead of a neg.
Negs are for the people who don't deliver at all.
Sounds pretty lame.
But unless he was REALLY rude, I'd give him a neutral for this particular set of offenses, instead of a neg.
Negs are for the people who don't deliver at all.
I disagree. Negs are also for people who purposely deceive and/or totally disobey the rules. Stock photos are not allowed for coins and the seller should know this and probably does, but just does not care. The person is just too lazy to photograph them all.
Listed 1960-D and sent 1963
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If you were not going to send the coin back, why open a case? It does show in quite large print that you would get a similar coin. While I think the listing is strange, he can't help it if he is stupid. He also agreed to take it back and now you are going to whack him with a Neg. All over a 17 dollar coin that you like and got a great deal on?
Because I opened a case because I thought it would lead to an exchange for the correct coin. But it just allows me to return for money back. I'd rather keep the 1963 then do a simple return.
Similar coin should mean same date/mintmark. If the auction was for just a random date PCGS MS64 Franklin Half, then why place a date/mintmark in the auction title? Why start out the auction description with the date/mintmark. Yes, it's a cheap coin, but the seller is purposely trying to be deceptive and for that, a negative is warranted.
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Feedback, despite our feelings, is irrelevant. You got a good buy and he had a good sale.
If you were not going to send the coin back, why open a case? It does show in quite large print that you would get a similar coin. While I think the listing is strange, he can't help it if he is stupid. He also agreed to take it back and now you are going to whack him with a Neg. All over a 17 dollar coin that you like and got a great deal on?
To me, "similar coin" means same date, same grade. This listing is terrible. I mainly look at titles and pictures, so would be expecting the EXACT coin. Even if I read every word I would expect that date, that grade.
14000 feedbacks and 1 negative a long time ago. Not sure he is a total scammer.
There's no need to mislead or be like that.
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The guy is blowing out PCGS MS64 Franklins for 17 bucks. Someone should go buy them all at that price.
14000 feedbacks and 1 negative a long time ago. Not sure he is a total scammer.
Actually, $17 plus his almost $4 shipping cost.
Using the graphic of the 1960-D Franklin that I won, he's had the following winning auction prices (plus $3.89 shipping).
7/23: $16.99
7/16: $20.50
7/10: $14.00
7/2: $27.00
6/25: $12.70
This same cert# graphic is currently being used to sell the coin as a $33.99 BIN with free shipping.
I see that he's also sold a 1963 using the same coin graphic (different cert# than the 1963 he sent me) on the following dates:
7/10: $13.49
7/3: 12.91
7/2: $13.50
6/25: 15.01
He's has 2 BIN auctions for 1963 Franklins at $21.99 with free shipping.
So based on his current BIN prices, he values the 1960-D higher than the 1963 so he believes he sent me a cheaper coin. But my belief is that a 1960-D and 1963 should sell for the about the same thing.
You're just mad that you didn't get it for 12 bucks!
He appears to be a total doofus as far as a seller. I might go check out what else he might be giving away.
You're just mad that you didn't get it for 12 bucks!
He appears to be a total doofus as far as a seller. I might go check out what else he might be giving away.
No. I got a good price for the coin I received. I'm not really mad, more of the "what an idiot" type of thinking. It's just a combination of (1) realizing the coin sent isn't the same coin listed and pictured in the auction and (2) his rude email that I received a "similar" coin.
He will get a negative feedback (for what it's worth which is probably little) in several days when the 7 day period has expired when Ebay will let me.
Looks like laziness on the part of the seller. He likely has a large stack of them and is just banging the relist button without taking new photos.
You are probably spot-on. I could perhaps cut him some slack, even if he's using stock photos, if the title was something like: Random Date Franklin Half Dollar PCGS MS64. But to list a specific date and provide something else is just lazy/wrong.
Now, in regards to the auction, as soon as I read there are a variety of PCGS serial numbers being presented it is obvious the coin received may not be the one photographed.
eBay is heading toward being a poor choice of venues not only due to the seller's shenanigans, also due to the buyer's tomfoolery.
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Check out Dimeman's set. It looks like 1/2 of his items were bought off of ebay.
Sounds pretty lame.
But unless he was REALLY rude, I'd give him a neutral for this particular set of offenses, instead of a neg.
Negs are for the people who don't deliver at all.
I disagree. Negs are also for people who purposely deceive and/or totally disobey the rules. Stock photos are not allowed for coins and the seller should know this and probably does, but just does not care. The person is just too lazy to photograph them all.
True. While I might personally have erred on the side of leniency and gone with a strongly worded neutral (or not, depending on just how rude the seller's correspondence was and just how much it ticked me off), the OP would certainly be well within reason if he chose to leave a neg.
If he is just sending coins based on the grade wouldn't every coin be wrong?
It has 63-D in the title, it should be a 63-D in the slab.
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Yes seller was rude, but the buyer did get something that he liked at a price he liked.
With e-bay you can always return anything anytime no matter what, so there is really NO risk as a buyer.
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You're just mad that you didn't get it for 12 bucks!
He appears to be a total doofus as far as a seller. I might go check out what else he might be giving away.
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So when a seller uses a picture of a 1960-D with an auction title including 1960-D, but ships a 1963 and hides in the long auction description something about a similar coin will be shipped, giving a negative over it apparently isn't considered by Ebay a legitimate use of a negative feedback.
I'm sure those of you who sell on Ebay had received negative feedbacks under much more questionable circumstances.
Oh well, I tried.
He offered to take your coin back and you refused because it was too good of a deal to pass up. He tried to make it right and you still whacked him. It is nice to see a seller win once in awhile.
He offered to take your coin back and you refused because it was too good of a deal to pass up. He tried to make it right and you still whacked him. It is nice to see a seller win once in awhile.
The negative was for his dishonest auction. The offer to take the coin back was Ebay forcing him. The seller had zero intent to take the coin back as per the Ebay message I got from him prior to my filing "item not as described."
So earlier today I left the seller a negative feedback something along the line of "Auction for 1960-D, sent 1963, claims satisfies small print in description." Now I see that the negative feedback has been removed. I assume he called Ebay and asked them to remove it.
So when a seller uses a picture of a 1960-D with an auction title including 1960-D, but ships a 1963 and hides in the long auction description something about a similar coin will be shipped, giving a negative over it apparently isn't considered by Ebay a legitimate use of a negative feedback.
I'm sure those of you who sell on Ebay had received negative feedbacks under much more questionable circumstances.
Oh well, I tried.
Wow, I can't believe eBay took down the negative feedback. The severity of the damage done can certainly be debated but the listing was deceptive and against the rules. He must have a cousin who works at eBay.
- Jim
I understand the seller listing like he is an idiot. I don't understand the, I am opening a case to send the coin back, even though I never intended to send it back because it is such a great deal, and then giving the guy a negative, even though you love the deal and coin you got. I do not agree with his listing practices at all, but he DID say you will be getting a different (similar) coin. This whole thing............the reason I would never sell couple dollar coins on eBay. even if I had them. They are always the most trouble, at least from what I see around here.