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MilkmanDan
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Like many of you, I’m interested to know more about the path coins took before landing in my collection. As a collector of chopmarked coins, this is especially interesting because at some point they took a boat trip over to China, then somehow made their way back. The ultimate for me would be to trace a chopmarked coin back to the point it was (re-)discovered in China, but few are ever able to do this. Frank Rose, who some call the Godfather of chopmark collecting was a merchant marine in the 50’s/60’s. He put together a fantastic collection with most of his coins coming straight out of the East. Forum member DDR owns a Trade Dollar that Rose found in the Orient in 1968.
My story today isn’t quite as cool, but involves adding a little bit more knowledge about the path of one of my coins. Yesterday I was browsing Sixbid and came across the auction description for this coin.
The 1732-Mo F 2 Reales is a very rare coin, not many are known and almost all are thrashed. The part that stuck out to me is “Patterson (Bonham's 7/1996, lot 79: a pierced and chopmarked coin) specimen” I own a chopmarked, holed 1732-Mo F so I got a little excited.
I started searching for evidence and came across this forum thread that TwoKopeiki started earlier this year.
Near the bottom of that thread, forum member Andres posted a picture of the catalog for the ’96 Bonhams sale of Patterson’s Pillar collection. I reached out to Andres with a few questions and this morning he confirmed that my coin is indeed from the Patterson collection.
I don’t know a whole lot (yet) about the Patterson collection, but it’s neat to establish at least a small part of the path this coin took before landing in my chopmark collection.
Any of you care to share knowledge of the Patterson collection?
Here's the coin in question:
And here is evidence from the Bonhams catalog that Andres sent me this morning to confirm the match:
Thanks for your help Andres!
My story today isn’t quite as cool, but involves adding a little bit more knowledge about the path of one of my coins. Yesterday I was browsing Sixbid and came across the auction description for this coin.
The 1732-Mo F 2 Reales is a very rare coin, not many are known and almost all are thrashed. The part that stuck out to me is “Patterson (Bonham's 7/1996, lot 79: a pierced and chopmarked coin) specimen” I own a chopmarked, holed 1732-Mo F so I got a little excited.
I started searching for evidence and came across this forum thread that TwoKopeiki started earlier this year.
Near the bottom of that thread, forum member Andres posted a picture of the catalog for the ’96 Bonhams sale of Patterson’s Pillar collection. I reached out to Andres with a few questions and this morning he confirmed that my coin is indeed from the Patterson collection.
I don’t know a whole lot (yet) about the Patterson collection, but it’s neat to establish at least a small part of the path this coin took before landing in my chopmark collection.
Any of you care to share knowledge of the Patterson collection?
Here's the coin in question:
And here is evidence from the Bonhams catalog that Andres sent me this morning to confirm the match:
Thanks for your help Andres!
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Thats a rare and expensive 2R you got there and with a good provenance.Congrats well done.
the Collection of Sandy Patterson, contained 7000 coins in total.
ofwhich 933 were auctioned by Bonhams in 1996 the main part is listed with pictures in their catalog.
apart for his tour of duty with the US coast guard in WW2 , he never worked a day in his life (inherited a fortune and was a successfull investor in the stockmarket)
never got married, never owned a house. Always on the hunt for rare coins moving from hotel to hotel as far as Mexico, Las Vegas, Miami etc.
Drove a new Cadillac which he exchanged every 6 months.
I would say, he was a serious coin collector
And great-lookin' piece! Nice toning, and cool chopmarks.
I love it when the backstory starts to come into focus like that.
Even so, that remains so much one of those "Ahh, if it could only talk" pieces, doesn't it?
apart for his tour of duty with the US coast guard in WW2 , he never worked a day in his life (inherited a fortune and was a successfull investor in the stockmarket)
never got married, never owned a house. Always on the hunt for rare coins moving from hotel to hotel as far as Mexico, Las Vegas, Miami etc.
Drove a new Cadillac which he exchanged every 6 months.
I would say, he was a serious coin collector
Hilarious, seriously I laughed out loud which kids these days seem to call "LOL".
But now I'm left wanting to know where he stored his coins!
Even so, that remains so much one of those "Ahh, if it could only talk" pieces, doesn't it?
Exactly! I've read that many of these minors were holed so that they could be carried on a string sort of like a necklace. It was a crude form of what we now call the "wallet".
Dont know the guy, but he seems a serious collector too.
no secret where he stores his coin collection.
I found another former owner of your coin , Dan.
Dont know the guy, but he seems a serious collector too.
no secret where he stores his coin collection.
Ha! I wish! I had some rare stuff on there, but not too much this rare.
Spanish colonials I had, in all the silver portrait denominations, but no cobs and no Pillars. Had a 1798 escudo on the Holey Gold Hat.
They belonged to my grandmother who was a coin collector and liked to fill albums from circulation.
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