68.......no Q!

numbersman

I love a great grade as much as the next guy but how can this note have this grade and not achieve the "Q"? Is it a fake holder? Is it a misprint?

tomtomtomtom

From PMG "Notes must qualify for PMG’s Exceptional Paper Quality (EPQ) designation to be graded 65 and higher."



So the 68 is an EPQ but not printed on holder.

numbersman

I hear ya TomTom,but I don't recall seeing any others.Each and every PMG note I have ,65 or higher(and I have hundreds of them from way back up to just a few days ago),has the Q.Not to mention,I think I see a small stain,front right margin,that may kill the Q.It's a little tough to be 100% sure as I am unable to make the pics larger(another strange thing in my opinion).

Jim61

Interesting for sure. I do not have the answer.



But I have a very similar serial of that one with a Q.

tomtomtomtom

Assume it's a misprint...all their registry points 65 and higher are only EPQ notes...They have graded 8 at a 68...1 at 69...

I can't make out the PMG note# to do a verification check.

tomtomtomtom

Here is a note of mine.







when I do a verification using the pmg # on back it comes back 65EPQ.

I assume the above note falls into that category.

Jim61

Tom, I agree. Your note and the other one both seem to be from earlier times with older label design.

amrys

I've got some early graded $1 1969 starnotes, all graded by PMG and all 65 but NO EPQ.
Obviously such early graded notes haven't always got an EPQ.
This holder of the 68 notes lseems to be an older one too.
So maybe they've just forgotten to hit the button for the EPQ?

Jim61

I found an older label as well with no EPQ.

KT5Silver

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that Jason came up with the "Q". His was PPQ and then PMG "borrowed" the idea and it became EPQ. Consequently, older PMG notes have no Q.

luckybucks

Older holder, before they used EPQ.



If the border of the holder has squares, that will confirm that the holder is an earlier one. The newer PMG holders have the wavy border.

Jim61

Another easy way to tell is to look at the scales to the left of the PMG. Older holders have the two vessels at the bottom of the scale shaded to look 3D, the newer labels have solid vessels look 2D.

larry510

We have talked about this before. PMG the first year they were grading did not put EPQ on ANY note regardless of grade. I have a few 66's and 67's with no EPQ on the holder.

The lack of EPQ on this old one bothered me so I decided to cross it to PCGS and get a PPQ on it and it worked:

Tookybandit

I had my eye on that one and agree it's just an early first generation example.

mfontes

I have the certification number (approximate) when PMG started using EPQ. I have to find it, but as others said it is most likely a first generation holder prior to the use of EPQ.

oldamericanmoney

Any PMG graded notes 65 or higher encapsulated in PMG's older holders before the use of the "EPQ" can be sent in for a reholder and will automatically get an EPQ designation.