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Would PCGS grade a flawless toned coin MS70?

BowAxeBowAxe Posts: 143 ✭✭
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Let's say you had a modern commemorative that had not a single microscopic surface flaw; perfect edge and rims; a phenomenal strike, and dazzling luster--a hands-down MS70 if it were a pure white coin--but there was a hint of golden toning around the periphery. Would PCGS knock off a point for the toning? Has anyone ever submitted a toned coin to PCGS and gotten an MS70 grade? I know that beautiful toning will sometimes add a point or two to a grade at the lower levels but I don't know if the same thing holds at the MS70 level. Anyone know the PCGS policy on this?

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,145 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the coin is flawless in strike and luster and had no marks (under 5X magnification) then I would agree light, attractive golden toning along the rim should not detract and lower the grade. Now, whether PCGS would agree with that thinking or not, I don't know for sure.

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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    I have owned a couple of MS-70 PCGS coins with toning, including some with heavy rim toning.
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  • BcsicanBcsican Posts: 1,068
    I had a 1998 SMS Kennedy that was MS 70 with a lite golden tone on the outer edge....they do ot if it is a true MS 70...
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
    About six months ago TeleTrade sold a PF70 PCGS '64 Kennedy with gorgeous toning.
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  • TypetoneTypetone Posts: 1,621 ✭✭
    Many of the extant 70s, ms and proof, have some gold tint or toning. I don't think that would hold back the grade. However, PCGS is almost impossible with 70s these days. The thinking is that they now examine 70 candidates under a microscope. Any flaw knocks it out. So, don't be disappointed if you only get a 69.

    Greg
  • BNEBNE Posts: 772 ✭
    I've got a Proof 70DCAM Jefferson from the mid-90's with pretty heavy peripheral blue-purple toning
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  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    69 right now, in the future is anyones guess as grading is an art not a science and remember they are grading services secondary.

    pricing services first and foremost

    and there is nothnig wrong with that as that is the market

    it is ALL about one thing money

    as the first question anyone asks about a coin at a show is what is it worth how much is it

    the dealers and others are not there to show and tell but to show and buy/sell

    and that is great and as it should be as this drives the market and makes it what it is

    sincerely michael
  • bit1workbit1work Posts: 42
    I do have 2 following experience which when combine the 2, may help you figure out the answer:

    1) I submitted a mordern comm and got MS-68 which I was expecting at least a 69 - no flaw at all using 30x glass except for toning near the rim. While another coin (pure white) with a minor nick on rim got a 69.
    2) Got a PR70-DCAM (sold) silver proof coin graded back in 99, and couple months after slabbed , it has toning all over it.

    Therefore, tone can decrease the grade (base on my comment #1); and a 70 coin may not be a pure white coin (base on comment #2).

    Just my two cents!

    Happy collecting and good luck!
    New PGCS collector - still learning from all other fellow collectors.
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    bit1work,

    PCGS does not downgrade for toning. That's from their Grading Guide. If you still have the MS-68 commem and can scan it, I will try to help show you why it is a 68 and not a 69.

    A majority of the MS-70's that I have seen have light to heavy toning (usually light on the silver and heavy on the gold).

    Keith ™

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