Options
Has the OC qualifier become the pariah of sports cards?
Stone193
Posts: 24,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
Ya know?
The post on those 1% cards had me going to "sold" cards on eBay.
This is interesting...
The sale of a Clemente PSA 8:
Is that amazing?
You can get a really nice looking Clemente OC 8 for 4% of one that's "OK" centered.
The post on those 1% cards had me going to "sold" cards on eBay.
This is interesting...
The sale of a Clemente PSA 8:
Is that amazing?
You can get a really nice looking Clemente OC 8 for 4% of one that's "OK" centered.
Mike 0
Comments
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I think eventually the mid grade and qualified cards will enjoy an increase as most people are priced out of the high grade market. A rising tide raises all ships.
Hiya David
Have no real idea but it sounds good.
Not trying to be obtuse, but I just don't see why someone would pay 90K for this card?
The centering is just OK - and an OC sells for only 4K?
I'm just confused on this one.
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
This. The numbering system leaves too much room for interpretation and causes confusion for those who don't understand the purpose of qualifiers. That being said, this is a system which has been in place for interpretation for over 25 years. If you haven't figured it out by now, you never will.
^^^^^^
This. The numbering system leaves too much room for interpretation and causes confusion for those who don't understand the purpose of qualifiers. That being said, this is a system which has been in place for interpretation for over 25 years. If you haven't figured it out by now, you never will.
Just to stay on track.
The OP is not arguing the grade assigned or the system - I just find it interesting that an OC card only garnered 4% of what the NQ did.
And last - your comment: "if you haven't figured it out by now, you never will"
It's judgmental and derisive and does little to encourage discussion here so that those who "are" less informed may learn from those who are.
Just my opinion buddy.
Only 120 people can say they own a PSA 8. 596 people can say they own a PSA 6 or equivalent.
I think the best example would be the Ferrari GTO 250. It will run you over 50 million and only 39 were ever made. You can buy a brand new Ferrari that has all the new bells and whistles for 300k or so but you aren't part of that elite club.
It was interesting to see two high profile collectors chime in on the PWCC thread over on Net 54. These cards are big boy toys.
We are each entitled to our opinion. My last comment is intended for those who are quite familiar with the current system. For those who are not, then this is the best place to gain knowledge about the topic. I'm not against that either. I love to learn and never feel that I'm incapable of embracing new ideas or theories.
The qualifier topic is very mature, at least in the sense it has been identified as something which requires proper interpretation. That is where my comment is directed - to those who know. The monetary aspect, well....that's for each individual to decide on their own.
As for the examples presented, I'd choose neither at the price.
If it's really about ego and bragging rights then that's just pathetic and I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who has such low self respect that they would buy a sports card, of all things, to make themselves feel superior to other collectors. What a waste of money.
No different then the reason someone wants to own a super refactor.
These gentleman may love to collect but if you are worth millions you don't get turned on by a card that the masses can own.
The PSA 10 grade is made to appeal to the ego. My card is better than your card. I am the only one who owns one. Etc.
I collect 10's and would by lying to myself if I said there wasn't some ego involved.
This PSA 8 MC has incredible edges and corners, but I bet the 90-10 centering makes it worth less than a hundy.
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
If it's really about ego and bragging rights then that's just pathetic and I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who has such low self respect that they would buy a sports card, of all things, to make themselves feel superior to other collectors. What a waste of money.
No different then the reason someone wants to own a super refactor.
These gentleman may love to collect but if you are worth millions you don't get turned on by a card that the masses can own.
The PSA 10 grade is made to appeal to the ego. My card is better than your card. I am the only one who owns one. Etc.
I collect 10's and would by lying to myself if I said there wasn't some ego involved.
I think this is spot on. If you don't believe so then just looks at the psa registry. It's also why many people buy high end cars (like the gto 250) or high end art. Now I'm sure there are exceptions where people collect for other reasons but I think we're all trying to fill some kind of void in our lives.
Quick story;
A few years ago I was searching through YouTube and saw an interview with lil Wayne (he's a rapper fellas) and I'm not a fan of his but it had to do with a certain car, I think it was some kind of rare bugotti which he paid millions of dollars for. If I remember correctly he mentioned something about him not knowing what a bugotti was but how he heard this car was super rare so he wanted it lol.
Life is a competition.
I would be remiss if I didn't say that collecting has a mixture of intellectual curiosity, nostalgia, desire to find order, and a little bit of good ole fashioned pride, i.e. "showin' off".
If we haven't gone all OCD and stuff - everyone gets excited about showing what they have picked up - whether it be a 1 or a 10 - for me that's "honest" pride.
As opposed to where ego takes over and instead of one holding onto their possessions?
"They hold onto you"
You all have good and valid POV's on this IMO.
Thanx.
edit: Also, while I call myself a collector and don't sell on eBay or anything - I'd be disingenuous if I didn't say that I'm happy that some of the stuff I've picked up over the years is worth something to my heirs.
Tho, if I have it my way? I'm gonna be buried with my stuff.
Stone,
We are each entitled to our opinion. My last comment is intended for those who are quite familiar with the current system. For those who are not, then this is the best place to gain knowledge about the topic. I'm not against that either. I love to learn and never feel that I'm incapable of embracing new ideas or theories.
The qualifier topic is very mature, at least in the sense it has been identified as something which requires proper interpretation. That is where my comment is directed - to those who know. The monetary aspect, well....that's for each individual to decide on their own.
As for the examples presented, I'd choose neither at the price.
Hiya Travis
I thought I detected "tone" to your response.
If I was wrong and this was a "friendly" exchange?
My apologies.
I find myself much more concerned with centering now, which is a little puzzling to me. Obviously I would prefer better centered cards, but to the risk of numerical grade??? I think it must be due to the realized sales of well centered cards for the grade versus others. But, my original issue with cards with the o/c qualifier was this: You have a PSA 8 o/c which may be 50/50 t-b and 71/29 left to right. Yet, whether or not the card is in a straight 7 or even 6 or the 8 o/c, you are still staring at the exact same off centered borders. How does it being in a 6 or 7 help improve the aesthetics of the card at all? It doesn't make it strong for the grade even. If you are stuck with the centering issue either way, why not let the card scream out that I have nmt mint corners/perfect surface/clean edges etc as opposed to I have a few minor defects (touched corners, edges, surface imperfection) and I am still not centered very nicely?
It's a tough one Tom - I've become a centering nut also.
So, I'm pretty much priced out on many cards that I procrastinated in picking up.
My sincerest congratulations to those who did jump in.
What I like about OC? If you said you had an XXX OC 8? I have a picture in my mind. If there were not qualifier and one said they have an XXX 8? I would have to get more immediate info.
Early on - when PSA came on the scene and since most purchasing was done at shows or SCD?
Trust became the operative word in dealing with SCD. I'm sure you know how "that" went?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
It's funny, back in the old days, 25-30 years ago it seemed to be all about razor sharp corners and edges. It has only been in the last 5-6 years, I think, where centering has become so ultra important. I wonder why the change. Maybe a few influential collectors decided it was most important and everyone else fell in line. Kind of like the hottest new style of shoe. To each his own I guess.
I've always been more into corners and edges but you're right, ocd collectors are into centering and it is much easier to sell a card with great centering than sharp corners.
It's funny, back in the old days, 25-30 years ago it seemed to be all about razor sharp corners and edges. It has only been in the last 5-6 years, I think, where centering has become so ultra important. I wonder why the change. Maybe a few influential collectors decided it was most important and everyone else fell in line. Kind of like the hottest new style of shoe. To each his own I guess.
Agreed ^^^^
Pack pulled Mint 63 Rose
Centered = 150k
Not centered = 7.5k
Unbelievable