lost/stolen cards - FOUND!!

GrandMasterB

Hi,
My package to PWCC was lost/stolen on the 2nd. Here is a copy of the items with PSA serial numbers. If you ever see them, a police report is filed with the Lake Oswego police dept (503-697-6592) case #16-1904. If some show up, please give contact them/me.

SERIAL NUMBER GRADE PLAYER
Cert # 25640583 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1968 Topps 177 Mets Rookies J.Koosman/N.Ryan
Cert # 25640584 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1968 Topps 177 Mets Rookies J.Koosman/N.Ryan
Cert # 25640585 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1968 Topps 177 Mets Rookies J.Koosman/N.Ryan
Cert # 25891747 GradeVERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 Description 1952 Bowman 196 Stan Musial
Cert # 25891750 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 Description 1954 Topps 10 Jackie Robinson
Cert # 25891760 GradeEXCELLENT 5 Description 1955 Topps 50 Jackie Robinson
Cert # 25891761 GradeVERY GOOD 3 Description 1955 Topps 123 Sandy Koufax
Cert # 25891763 GradeNEAR MINT-MINT 8 Description 1956 Elvis Presley 2 Elvis Presley Checklist
Cert # 25891791 GradeVERY GOOD 3 Description 1956 Topps 135 Mickey Mantle Gray Back
Cert # 25891795 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1957 Topps 1 Ted Williams
Cert # 25891799 GradeNEAR MINT 7 Description 1957 Topps 76 Bob Clemente
Cert # 25891800 GradeEXCELLENT+ 5.5 Description 1957 Topps 95 Mickey Mantle
Cert # 25891801 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1957 Topps 328 Brooks Robinson
Cert # 25891803 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1958 Topps 5 Willie Mays
Cert # 25891804 GradeNEAR MINT-MINT 8 OC Description 1960 Topps 350 Mickey Mantle
Cert # 25891806 GradeNEAR MINT-MINT 8 Description 1960 Topps 250 Stan Musial
Cert # 25891808 GradeVERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 Description 1962 Topps 200 Mickey Mantle
Cert # 25891810 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1964 Topps 50 Mickey Mantle
Cert # 25891822 GradeNEAR MINT-MINT 8 Description 1966 Topps 126 Jim Palmer
Cert # 25721595 GradeNEAR MINT 7 Description 1960 Topps 148 Carl Yastrzemski Rookie Star
Cert # 25721605 GradeNEAR MINT-MINT 8 Description 1961 Topps 415 Hank Aaron
Cert # 25891813 GradeNEAR MINT 7 Description 1965 Topps 170 Hank Aaron
Cert # 25721626 GradeNEAR MINT 7 Description 1966 Topps 544 Cardinals Rookies Hoerner/Kernek/Williams
Cert # 25891756 GradeNEAR MINT 7 Description 1954 Topps 37 Whitey Ford
Cert # 25891758 GradeVERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 Description 1954 Topps 201 Al Kaline
Cert # 25891789 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1956 Topps 79 Sandy Koufax White Back
Cert # 25721631 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT 6 Description 1967 Topps 150 Mickey Mantle
Cert # 25721637 GradeEXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 Description 1967 Topps 400 Bob Clemente


1959 Bob Gibson PSA 6 unsure of cert
1968 Mantle PSA 6 unsure of cert
1976 Topps set
1977 Topps set w/ wax pack


Thank you,

Larry

miwlvrn

Hopefully you still have the certs entered into your PSA registry inventory. If the box is not somewhere in the USPS sorting offices and it has been grabbed up by someone, then if the person who has obtained this box tries to enter the certs, PSA will be able to provide contact info for that person to you and/or the police dept. associated with the report. More likely, the items may be sold and then the certs individually entered by the next round of buyers. Even then, as long as you provide details of the situation to PSA, then PSA would still be able to contact the person trying to enter the cert and find out from them from whom it was purchased, and you can track whoever has your items that way.

ndleo

Larry - Did you use the USPS or another service?

GrandMasterB

Thanks miwlvrn! I never thought of adding them to my registry.

This was USPS and went out for delivery never to be seen again. Brent could not locate it in-house, neither could the post office. The post office says it was most likely...take from the truck? I've been in contact with what feels like every branch of the USPS.

Dboneesq

Damn Larry ... I hope you get them back. Were they insured?

miwlvrn

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB

Thanks miwlvrn! I never thought of adding them to my registry.



This was USPS and went out for delivery never to be seen again. Brent could not locate it in-house, neither could the post office. The post office says it was most likely...take from the truck? I've been in contact with what feels like every branch of the USPS.

That is one of several reasons why I almost always keep the certs in my registry inventory for items I've sold until they have safely reached their destination. In addition to theft tracking as I've laid out above, it also safeguards you against false claims of item not received (if the buyer were to file such a claim but also go on to try to add the cert to his registry - this has happened to me before and it saved me a lot of money by not having released the cert), as well as prevents cert poachers who pull the numbers from ebay listings even if they don't buy the item, just so they can complete their set registries. I know some people unregister their certs when they list items, but I prefer to only release the cert to my buyer, not cert poachers

Dpeck100

I really hate reading threads like this. Such a bummer. Good luck and we can only hope this turns out positive.

braves72078

Thats sucks. I hope you had the package insured.

I had an order from PSA to me a few years back that a schmuck at the PO gave the REGISTERED package to someone else who then said they dropped them in a mailbox.

The USPS did eventually pay my claim but it was a long process.

GrandMasterB

Adding the certs to the registry is a great idea, I will do that from now on. The package was insured but unfortunately not the complete amount so the last week+ has been a little stressful.

Justus

I would still add them to your Inventory now and if someone else tries to register them, you will get a remove email.

miwlvrn

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB

Adding the certs to the registry is a great idea, I will do that from now on. The package was insured but unfortunately not the complete amount so the last week+ has been a little stressful.

Remember, you don't have to be working on sets to add certs to your registry inventory. And in case you aren't familiar with the process, if you log in and go to the My Registry page, follow the link for My Orders, click the Details button next to an order, and from there you can then add all the certs to your inventory with a single click instead of typing each number in individually.

Cakes

Originally posted by: miwlvrn

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB
Adding the certs to the registry is a great idea, I will do that from now on. The package was insured but unfortunately not the complete amount so the last week+ has been a little stressful.

Remember, you don't have to be working on sets to add certs to your registry inventory. And in case you aren't familiar with the process, if you log in and go to the My Registry page, follow the link for My Orders, click the Details button next to an order, and from there you can then add all the certs to your inventory with a single click instead of typing each number in individually.

Great info on this thread. I didn't realize it was that easy to add the certs.

I am staying optimistic your package will show up. I have had them show up 2 to 3 weeks late before.

GrandMasterB

Originally posted by: Cakes

Originally posted by: miwlvrn

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB
Adding the certs to the registry is a great idea, I will do that from now on. The package was insured but unfortunately not the complete amount so the last week+ has been a little stressful.

Great info on this thread. I didn't realize it was that easy to add the certs.

I am staying optimistic your package will show up. I have had them show up 2 to 3 weeks late before.

Showing up would be a relief but nobody can find it. recording the certs in my registry may be the best way now. USPS has the case list as "lost" so police could only file a report as it being missing.

ndleo

Larry - I'm not sure where you live, but the USPS in my area (LA) has gone through a bunch of retirements/buyouts. The veteran Postal employees are being replaced mainly by temps or contract workers (even for delivery). I am constantly getting other people's mail, which means I assume some of my mail is ending up somewhere else.

I've had more than few ebay packages get stuck or misdirected at the regional Post Office center since the start of last year, so I assume that temps are working there as well.

Except for Express, it seems like all levels of Postal service has gotten worse. I finally bit the bullet and now use FedEx for $$$ packages to PWCC, BBCE, or ebay sales. The cost isn't that bad and their tracking of lost packages is much better than the USPS.

gemint

Originally posted by: ndleo
Larry - I'm not sure where you live, but the USPS in my area (LA) has gone through a bunch of retirements/buyouts. The veteran Postal employees are being replaced mainly by temps or contract workers (even for delivery). I am constantly getting other people's mail, which means I assume some of my mail is ending up somewhere else.

I've had more than few ebay packages get stuck or misdirected at the regional Post Office center since the start of last year, so I assume that temps are working there as well.

Except for Express, it seems like all levels of Postal service has gotten worse. I finally bit the bullet and now use FedEx for $$$ packages to PWCC, BBCE, or ebay sales. The cost isn't that bad and their tracking of lost packages is much better than the USPS.

I'm having the same problem. I'm having packages left at the doorstep that require signature for delivery. I had to complain several times about it. Fortunately none stolen yet but I did lose one going out to someone else. Fortunately they were cheap cards.

GrandMasterB

We've been having the revolving mail carrier as well but havent had any problems. I'm still hoping it was mis-delivered and will turn up.

ndleo

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB
We've been having the revolving mail carrier as well but havent had any problems. I'm still hoping it was mis-delivered and will turn up.

On the plus side, all of my misdirected showed up. One took 60 days when one got redirect to Hawaii and sat there for a month.

kingbeeswax

Hope it all works out. Check craigslist from time to time and pawn shops etc. Hope you have scans of some of them. That Elvis checklist doesn't pop up in high grade so much. Sucks to hear about this.

flatfoot816

there had to be tracking. What did it show

GrandMasterB

Thanks you all the advice! This is the USPS tracking info:


Date & Time
Status of Item
Location

June 2, 2016 , 9:46 pm
Delivery status not updated

The delivery status for this item has not been updated as of June 2, 2016, 9:46 pm.

June 2, 2016 , 7:46 am
Out for Delivery .
LAKE OSWEGO, OR 97035

June 2, 2016 , 7:36 am
Sorting Complete .
LAKE OSWEGO, OR 97035

June 2, 2016 , 6:49 am
Arrived at Unit .
LAKE OSWEGO, OR 97035

May 31, 2016 , 9:28 pm
Arrived at USPS Origin Facility .
HAZELWOOD, MO 63042

May 31, 2016 , 5:39 pm
Departed Post Office .
HIGHLAND, IL 62249

May 31, 2016 , 12:58 pm
Acceptance .
HIGHLAND, IL 62249

mexpo75

So Sorry! I always worry when the package leaves my hands.

mexpo75

So Sorry! I always worry when the package leaves my hands.

RipublicaninMass

Originally posted by: Justus
I would still add them to your Inventory now and if someone else tries to register them, you will get a remove email.

I've never been able to get contact info from PSA

ldferg

I hate to hear this for you. I'm typically skiddish until I hear from Brett when sending cards to him.

mrpeanut39

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB

Thanks you all the advice! This is the USPS tracking info:





Date & Time

Status of Item

Location



June 2, 2016 , 9:46 pm

Delivery status not updated



The delivery status for this item has not been updated as of June 2, 2016, 9:46 pm.



June 2, 2016 , 7:46 am

Out for Delivery .

LAKE OSWEGO, OR 97035



June 2, 2016 , 7:36 am

Sorting Complete .

LAKE OSWEGO, OR 97035



June 2, 2016 , 6:49 am

Arrived at Unit .

LAKE OSWEGO, OR 97035



May 31, 2016 , 9:28 pm

Arrived at USPS Origin Facility .

HAZELWOOD, MO 63042



May 31, 2016 , 5:39 pm

Departed Post Office .

HIGHLAND, IL 62249



May 31, 2016 , 12:58 pm

Acceptance .

HIGHLAND, IL 62249

So they made it to Lake Oswego. Some hooligan(s) must be on the lookout for packages headed to Brent's address. Such a bummer.

miwlvrn

Originally posted by: RipublicaninMass

Originally posted by: Justus

I would still add them to your Inventory now and if someone else tries to register them, you will get a remove email.

I've never been able to get contact info from PSA

I think they would give the information if it were relevant to an outstanding police report/investigation.

1980scollector

That was an inside job. Did it have the insured postal cost to ship on the outside of the box?

I am so sorry man. It's just not right for this to happen.

mikelowell25

Originally posted by: mexpo75

So Sorry! I always worry when the package leaves my hands.

Did you post this twice because you have two hands??

GrandMasterB

Originally posted by: 1980scollector
That was an inside job. Did it have the insured postal cost to ship on the outside of the box?

I am so sorry man. It's just not right for this to happen.

Yes it did have the shipping price, I haven't found a way to remove it with USPS.com. As far as an inside job, I REALLY hope that's not the case. But if there's an abnormally high amount of insurance claims, the post office my look internally.

tsalems1

It shouldn't be too hard for the post office to figure out who had the package last. Based on the tracking provided , if the last scan shows out for delivery, it was the delivery driver.

miwlvrn

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB

Originally posted by: 1980scollector

That was an inside job. Did it have the insured postal cost to ship on the outside of the box?



I am so sorry man. It's just not right for this to happen.

Yes it did have the shipping price, I haven't found a way to remove it with USPS.com. As far as an inside job, I REALLY hope that's not the case. But if there's an abnormally high amount of insurance claims, the post office my look internally.

Printing your USPS shipping labels from paypal.com/shipping is less expensive than on the USPS site and it allows you to print without putting the print cost/charge on the label.

Stone193

I have read the OP and don't see.



Was this package "Registered?"

basketballcollector

Why wasn't the package shipped registered ?

GrandMasterB

It was my arrogance for not shipping registered. I've shipped quite a bit to PSA, Rick and Brent priority insured and have never had even a delayed package.

I guess what I'm disappointed in the most is myself. Being over confident in the USPS set me up to lose money. I normally never ship much more that the insurance replacement value.

jimq112

Originally posted by: tsalems1
It shouldn't be too hard for the post office to figure out who had the package last. Based on the tracking provided , if the last scan shows out for delivery, it was the delivery driver.

Doesn't work that way. The clerks sort packages to the routes and when they're all sorted they scan a bar code that says "sorting complete" and that adds a sorting complete scan to all of the tracking numbers they scanned. Then 10 minutes later a computer generates an "out for delivery" scan.

I don't know about all offices, but in my office the scans aren't attached to each route so if something for route 6 was sorted to my route, I could steal it and they would ask R6 where it went. Only exceptions would be express, certified, and registered. I'm in a small office so I would imagine things are different in a bigger office.

Stone193

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB

It was my arrogance for not shipping registered. I've shipped quite a bit to PSA, Rick and Brent priority insured and have never had even a delayed package.



I guess what I'm disappointed in the most is myself. Being over confident in the USPS set me up to lose money. I normally never ship much more that the insurance replacement value.

Wow!



Do I appreciate your honesty/sincerity.



I'm sorry to hear about this and sure hope the package shows up - perhaps misdirected?



I once bought an old tobacco pack on eBay - was lost - got refund. 4 months later it miraculously arrived in my mail box.

sushihotwings

I am really sorry about what has happened. I always figured it was just a matter of time before packages started going missing on the way to Brent at PWCC. The temptation and reward has gotten too enticing for criminals now that Brent has millions of dollars of yearly sales worth of items coming and going from his office every day. It will only get worse and too many hands touching the items along the way. Items left unattended etc. depending on how the item is sent they could be lying in wait to run and grab items right off his doorstep. Scary.

jay0791

At least when PWCC send out a package it has B.H. as sender. No real indication of what is inside or value.

Always pleased to see the Probstein package: Buy Sell Consign sticker that says please steal me.

Like that would make even the slightest difference to me.

Hope you get your cards back

I have had the Post Office steal a few packages from me

sushihotwings

With as much as business as PWCC is doing it might actually pay for him to have security guard posted there 24 hours to monitor what is coming and going not to mention God forbid a break in. We all see the value of some the cards he I selling. 100K here, 100k there. Just saying.

vols1

His packages are delivered to a Postal Annex. So you might take a shot at giving them a call.

flatfoot816

you may also want to put in a search on eBay for every card that you lost. That way if someone tries to move it on the bay--you'll get notice. Also notify the other AHs with a list in the event that the cards are consigned to them in the near future

miwlvrn

Two scenarios will mean it being unlikely you find the items: if they were stolen by someone who decides to keep them but not add the certs to his collection (or, he finds an in-person transaction with someone who chooses to keep them in that way); or, if the cards are cracked out of the flips and sold raw or resubbed to other grading companies or subbed back to PSA but spaced out instead of in the same group. Other than that, I would remain hopefully optimistic that the cert numbers will eventually lead you to finding your cards, whether individually or as a group. I'd give the appropriate personnel at PSA a reference email with details including your list there plus the police report info, and then revisit that contact conversation when eventually you get the email that someone is attempting to add the cert to their collection. Good Luck!

buymycards

Go to the Post Office and talk to the Postmaster. Don't talk to the clerk, don't talk to the Supervisor. Talk to the Postmaster. When you talk to him/her, tell the PM that you want to talk to the carrier who was on that route on that particular day. Tell the PM that you want to file a written complaint against that employee, and that you want the Postmaster to call the Postal Inspectors. Do not take "no" for an answer. There are two possibilities - either someone screwed up and your package is in that Post Office, or someone is stealing. There may be other issues with the carrier who is responsible and other customers may have lost packages. Get the Postal Inspectors involved. Hopefully, both the carrier and the Postmaster will receive discipline.

Cakes

Originally posted by: buymycards
Go to the Post Office and talk to the Postmaster. Don't talk to the clerk, don't talk to the Supervisor. Talk to the Postmaster. When you talk to him/her, tell the PM that you want to talk to the carrier who was on that route on that particular day. Tell the PM that you want to file a written complaint against that employee, and that you want the Postmaster to call the Postal Inspectors. Do not take "no" for an answer. There are two possibilities - either someone screwed up and your package is in that Post Office, or someone is stealing. There may be other issues with the carrier who is responsible and other customers may have lost packages. Get the Postal Inspectors involved. Hopefully, both the carrier and the Postmaster will receive discipline.

The above would be worth a shot.

sushihotwings

+1 on the this. Keep us updated

GrandMasterB

Here's the update. I logged onto the client portal yesterday to view the upcoming auctions.....and they were all included in the list.

very odd as everyone I talked with could not located the package or cards but I am extremely relieved!

Thanks to everyone's recommendations for the future.

Dboneesq

So they all arrived safely at PWCC?

GrandMasterB

Yes, they told me that with the post office having a delivery scan, there system never showed it delivered. A PWCC employee picked it up and they started working on the auction set up the 7th.

Dboneesq

So in the meantime you were worried sick for a month! Oh well ... glad they got there ... good luck with the sales!

Stone193

Originally posted by: GrandMasterB

Yes, they told me that with the post office having a delivery scan, there system never showed it delivered. A PWCC employee picked it up and they started working on the auction set up the 7th.

Good news!



Tho you had a bad month - I can't fathom how relieved you are to know that the cards are in hand.



I wish you the best with the upcoming auction.

doctorperfecto

Did you call PWCC to ask if they had been received?