Predicting the future
Tibor
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I've been reading some of the old and new threads about un-opened product.
Which un-opened product do you think will do well 5-10 years from now? If possible
give a reason. How about single cards? Thanks for your thoughts!!
Which un-opened product do you think will do well 5-10 years from now? If possible
give a reason. How about single cards? Thanks for your thoughts!!
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I am holding onto my 86 and 87 rack cases then, David, LOL!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Jeff
85-90 steroid era greats - Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, etc.
I am holding onto my 86 and 87 rack cases then, David, LOL!
That sucks Tim because I'm buying and actually having a hard time locating product
I do have an 87 Donruss rack case factory sealed...may or may not want to part with it?
In my opinion, 1983 & 1985 Topps baseball are great buys at the current price. 1985 Topps has a strong sentimental value for many collectors. If I had the available storage I'd scoop up every '85 Topps rack box I could find for under $200.
IQ
I think collectors who are in their early 30's now will pursue the cards, packs, and boxes of their youth - 82-86 especially. Hard to tell on the roid guys. I have kids on my team, and they won't collect Bonds, Clemens, or McGwire. They say they are cheaters and don't want them. I think 84 Topps football can still run with Elway and Marino as well.
85-90 steroid era greats - Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, etc.
I am holding onto my 86 and 87 rack cases then, David, LOL!
I've thought for a while 86 topps baseball would go on a bit of a run. The risk/reward for opening that is about as good as it gets. But not having any good rookies is holding it back so I've given up and have been opening what I have. It's kind of a dreary set but high grade ones look really nice.
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85-90 steroid era greats - Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, etc.
Also, anything FASC, in 5-10 yrs I can envision appreciation for the FASC designation on rarer cases / boxes.
What about 1970's-early 1980's Topps Fun Pack Bags? Would those be considered FASC-like since they were factory sealed at Topps?
Also the key RCs of some of the roid guys are already starting to climb - Tiffany Bonds-Clemens-McGwire, 1985 T McGwire, 1994 SP ARod. I am surprised that the 84 Fleer Update Clemens is still somewhat depressed. However I'm not so sure that Sosa or Palmeiro are coming back anytime soon. maybe because their HOF votes are low or done and they aren't in the game anymore.
85-90 steroid era greats - Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, etc.
Also, anything FASC, in 5-10 yrs I can envision appreciation for the FASC designation on rarer cases / boxes.
What about 1970's-early 1980's Topps Fun Pack Bags? Would those be considered FASC-like since they were factory sealed at Topps?
Also the key RCs of some of the roid guys are already starting to climb - Tiffany Bonds-Clemens-McGwire, 1985 T McGwire, 1994 SP ARod. I am surprised that the 84 Fleer Update Clemens is still somewhat depressed. However I'm not so sure that Sosa or Palmeiro are coming back anytime soon. maybe because their HOF votes are low or done and they aren't in the game anymore.
Speaking of FASC, wax trays would also qualify as the packs are factory sealed and the cards on back of the packs in the tray are unknown, as well. 1970s OPC boxes with factory tape intact on the lid, too.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
2. FASC boxes
3. Sealed cases
4. Documented high quality boxes- from a find or from an opened case
I personally believe that 80's baseball boxes will slowly increase in value but not at the rate of Basketball or Football. 1970's boxes will continue to increase at a healthy rate with the exception of 1978 and 1975 Topps minis- these boxes will fall into the category of the 80's boxes.
Football is a different animal because the 1980-86 has a ton of great rookies with high value in PSA 10's and production is 30-40% of the baseball production. 1978 Topps Football seems to be the most plentiful of all the 70's products. There seems to be a ton of 1978 available thanks to the "fun packs" that Topps did. 1970's football is very affordable compared to it's counterpart in baseball and I believe we will see strong pricing continue for this decade of unopened.
Basketball is hot and I see this trend of increase to not only continue but remain strong.
Hockey still seems to be dragging and flat. The 1979-80 OPC is extremely desirable however this box is still priced the same for over a year. A very solid investment still and I would think there is room for this to increase once the PSA 10 OPC Gretzky sells for $500000
Shane
85-90 steroid era greats - Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, etc.
Also, anything FASC, in 5-10 yrs I can envision appreciation for the FASC designation on rarer cases / boxes.
This.
FASC will appreciate at a much steeper rate than hand collated boxes. As it's been pointed out in other threads, it's already impossible to find cases for sale for early 70s. Mid 70s is just about there and in the next few years late 70s should follow suit.
So let's do a group rip of a sealed case from the 70s before it becomes (more) prohibitively expensive!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The problem with a group break of a sealed case is that once the seal is broken, the FASC premium is lost unless you are purchasing a full box with the BBCE designation FASC.. If you can get the case without the premium, like the 79 cello case, the cost is a bit more appealing.
Yes, with the BBCE FASC designation only. If we were to do 79 then that factory rack case of 6 boxes BBCE has is priced right. At $3,250 a box it's actually priced less than the last FASC 79 rack box went for on eBay.
Not surprisingly, the last non FASC 79 rack box went for only around $2,000. You get what you pay for.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Another point/question is in regard to non-FASC boxes which bear packs that cannot be searched due to the thickness/color of the wrapper. I can't be certain, but don't these exist? Or were all packs produced in the wax era "see-through"? Assuming there may be examples -- if the FASC premium is tied to the concern over "searched" packs, and this concern alone, then it would make little sense to apply it in cases where this isn't possible.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Josh does raise a significant point. It is not always possible to even discern the card on back of the pack and even more difficult to tell the card on front of the pack. If the back card is faced in, as many 75 mini packs are, for example, it is essentially impossible. It is also worth noting that sequencing for wax packs varied quite a bit and also breaks multiple times within the pack, too. Otherwise, every pack would have same card on front and back of the pack.
Yes. If you literally can't see through the wrapper and the pack is authenticated by BBCE then I do think it's just as good as FASC ... in terms of sequence searching that is. Handling is another issue. And while boxes and cases can be dented and damaged you'll probably get better packs, on average, out of a FASC box as they have never been handled. Especially those packs from the center of the case, as is the case from vending.
It's all about odds. And I agree with Tim that sequencing does break a lot. So there are no guarantees.
What's interesting is sometimes you do want the packs with off center facing cards as the low pop tough card is normally so off center that it needs the offset to make it actually centered.
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Al
"The future is not what it used to be"...Yogi
Good one Al.
I'm one of the elder statesman here. My concern for the future has been modified.
Baseball
1979- BBCE
1978
1977
1976
1975- Perhaps a mini case from Fritch
older?
Football
1979 and older?
1978 Topps Baseball Rack Case $14,499.99 or best offer.
1979 Topps Baseball Wax Tray Case 192 packs $25,000 or best offer.
1979 Topps Baseball Wax Tray Case 48 packs $9999.99 or best offer.
1979 Topps Baseball Wax Case $17,500 or best offer.
1979 Topps Baseball Rack Box FASC $4,499.99 or best offer.
BBCE has 2 similarly categorized items.
1976 Topps Baseball Vending Box FASC $2,950.
1979 Topps Baseball 6 Box Rack Case $19,500.
If there are any BBCE items where you can't see through the wax wrapper then that can be added to this list.
Any other similar items out there for the public to purchase?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
If sealed cases from the early 70s do exist, it's likely a 4th series 73 case from Fritsch. Those are the only early 70s wax boxes I see coming from them.
Fritsch still has 1973 BB Series 5 wax as well, but probably not in much quantity. There is no doubt they also have 1975 BB (regular) cello cases.
They also have vending cases from the 1970s in most sports.
Dave
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.