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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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That would be a cool box. A black boarder mantle issue.
Can only dream.
Just imagine if this was Mantles Final year in 1971 and that he was in the 4th series!!
That would be a cool box. A black boarder mantle issue.
Can only dream.
U might have to add another darn zero...if that were the case!
In one of the photos does it look like the box is twisted and bowed a little bit? Beautiful box without question.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing; the bowed left side looks very familiar to another box I remember seeing not that long ago
Isn't this the same box that just sold at Heritage?
Same series, but no, different box.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Isn't this the same box that just sold at Heritage?
No, this is a different one; the one in heritage has the old bbce shrinkwrap and sticker.
2015 World Series Champions
2018 Worst Minor League System In Baseball
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I'll take 6 packs. Thanks for setting this up. ??
Um, excuse me, but it's a 2 pack limit for the first 24 hours, then another 2 packs for the next 24 hours, then you can ask for your final 2 packs. Let's give everyone a chance please.
Seriously, can't Steve ever take some pics of the packs in a box of this caliber BEFORE he wraps it allowing prospective buyers to see what's inside and just how nice the packs are?!?!?! It's like deaf and dumb language and annoys me more than anything in this hobby. When will he (or anyone else who decides to wrap a box of this magnitude) for once think OUTSIDE the box (no pun intended) and do this before the packs likely end up permanently INSIDE the box?!?!?!
It's a Frankenstein box. If it were from a sealed case I'd be interested but I've had too many bad experiences with early 70s wax boxes where the packs have been cherry picked and the handled packs used to make a box.
do this before the packs likely end up permanently INSIDE the box?!?!?!
Yeah,cause it'll take a blow torch to open that shrink wrap!
I am confident that at the asking price, Steve wouldn't mind opening up the box, taking pictures of each one and then...wait for it....shrink wrap the box AGAIN!!!!
Jeff
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Graded stars 1950's-1980
It's about time for you to rip something again isn't it Tim? I always like to see your pack rips!
Jeff
Thanks, Jeff.
That is a very compelling suggestion~I have been planning on cracking a 78 Topps baseball vending box and am waiting for the just the right moment, lol..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Jeff
Card Country
Graded stars 1950's-1980
http://www.psacard.com/smrpriceguide/unopened-pack-values/baseball/1035
SMR for a PSA 8 1971 4th series wax pack is $550. PSA 9 is $750. So best case scenario the SMR for the packs in this box is $18,000.
http://www.psacard.com/smrpric...k-values/baseball/1035
So let me get this right - if I buy a bunch of PSA 5 thru 8 4th series 1971 packs and send them to BBCE along with an empty 1971 box, I can have them cracked, boxed, wrapped by BBCE and sell it for 89k ???
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
SMR for a PSA 8 1971 4th series wax pack is $550. PSA 9 is $750. So best case scenario the SMR for the packs in this box is $18,000.
http://www.psacard.com/smrpric...k-values/baseball/1035
So let me get this right - if I buy a bunch of PSA 5 thru 8 4th series 1971 packs and send them to BBCE along with an empty 1971 box, I can have them cracked, boxed, wrapped by BBCE and sell it for 89k ???
Yep.
That's why FASC is my preference vs Frankenstein.
smr is meaningless. expect to pay 1700 to 2000 for a psa 7 pack and 2500 to 3000 for a psa 8 pack....and they rarely come up for sale.
That makes more sense. Few more questions. For Steve to certify this box, he had to correctly identify each pack as a series 4 pack, correct? We're the pack wraps different for each series? If not, then each pack must shows an identifiable card, correct?
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
smr is meaningless. expect to pay 1700 to 2000 for a psa 7 pack and 2500 to 3000 for a psa 8 pack....and they rarely come up for sale.
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A PSA 8 71 4th series wax pack would likely approach 2K at auction. A PSA 7 pack jst sold on ebay for over $1,500.
In addition, unlike more plentiful late 70s and 80s product, for which sealed cases still exist, there is almost certainly no sealed cases in existence in 1971 Topps baseball.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
smr is meaningless. expect to pay 1700 to 2000 for a psa 7 pack and 2500 to 3000 for a psa 8 pack....and they rarely come up for sale.
That makes more sense. Few more questions. For Steve to certify this box, he had to correctly identify each pack as a series 4 pack, correct? We're the pack wraps different for each series? If not, then each pack must shows an identifiable card, correct?
Yes, wrapper variations differed by series. I doubt anyone would even be able to "put together" a 4th series 1971 wax box in the first place. It is almost impossible to locate even single packs to begin with. Of course, it's not guaranteed, but I'd bet this box is fully original.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
smr is meaningless. expect to pay 1700 to 2000 for a psa 7 pack and 2500 to 3000 for a psa 8 pack....and they rarely come up for sale.
SMR has plenty of meaning to lots of collectors. Also, Steve has a buy price for this same wax box at $22,000:
https://www.bbcexchange.com/viewuserdefinedpage.aspx?pn=buying
smr is meaningless. expect to pay 1700 to 2000 for a psa 7 pack and 2500 to 3000 for a psa 8 pack....and they rarely come up for sale.
SMR has plenty of meaning to lots of collectors.
Collectors or sellers?
smr is meaningless. expect to pay 1700 to 2000 for a psa 7 pack and 2500 to 3000 for a psa 8 pack....and they rarely come up for sale.
SMR has plenty of meaning to lots of collectors. Also, Steve has a buy price for this same wax box at $22,000:
https://www.bbcexchange.com/vi...nedpage.aspx?pn=buying
I am pretty sure that if you called Steve tomorrow and offered him a 71 box--his buy price would be a lot more than $22K.
Tim is correct--it would be virtually impossible to find enough packs to put together a box. The 71 packs--like all 71 Topps product -- was printed in much shorter supply than other years in the 70s. And if I am not mistaken a PSA-8 pack went for almost $3K a few months ago.
I believe that either this box or the one recently sold was from Steinbrenner
https://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=11&threadid=835977
They aren't as rare as you think and there were plenty more that others have.
Boxes from a sealed case is another story.
It's pretty easy to see through the wax paper for which cards are facing and from that figure out some useful information. Take several boxes and you can "create" another box composed of the packs you want to sell.
I'm sure the packs are all legit but, like I said, they're not FASC.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
BBCE bought about 10 of these boxes (mostly 4th series) a couple of years ago for $4500-$8500:
https://forums.collectors.com/...11&threadid=835977
They aren't as rare as you think and there were plenty more that others have.
Boxes from a sealed case is another story.
It's pretty easy to see through the wax paper for which cards are facing and from that figure out some useful information. Take several boxes and you can "create" another box composed of the packs you want to sell.
I'm sure the packs are all legit but, like I said, they're not FASC.
It was really 8 years ago.
This unopened stuff is such a sucker play. For 89 large, you could buy yourself a bodaciously nice PSA graded complete 1971 set and it would be a tangible thing, not the possibility of something mind blowing, but the real thing. When are people going to get off the lottery mentality and wake up?
Unopened collectors are an eccentric group, no question about it~but few aspects of the hobby generate the kind of discussion that unopened does, and that's a good thing, imo. The great thing about this hobby is that no one way of collecting is more "correct" than another.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Judging from the 1973 Topps all series box rip of a few weeks ago, if you're expecting the cards contained inside the packs to justify the exhorbitant prices that these boxes are fetching, you're in for a rude awakening.
I don't think anyone is saying that its "worth it" to rip vintage product. I think you're missing the point. I enjoy collecting unopened for a few reasons.
A) Something has remained in its original packaging for 40+ years.
C) Being able to "see" the cards on the rack packs and cello packs.
D) Admiring them in my collection.
Yeah, some of it has to do with "what may be inside" but that is probably the farthest thing from my enjoyment of the pack itself. For the time that I have been following 70s packs, 71 is the issue which hardly, if ever, comes up for sale. I may sound crazy when I would say that I would pay $3,000 for a real nice 1971 pack graded PSA8, but thats what I enjoy about it, and why I collect them.
Jeremy
Judging from the 1973 Topps all series box rip of a few weeks ago, if you're expecting the cards contained inside the packs to justify the exhorbitant prices that these boxes are fetching, you're in for a rude awakening.
Jeremy summed it up rather nicely, imo.
I've opened a lot of vintage packs and boxes over the years~it's usually a losing proposition but there are many exceptions to that rule, too, where I have pulled cards that paid for the packs or box and then some. In addition, there's the excitement and thrill of opening a pack that has been sealed for decades. Regardless, for an unopened collector, it's more about the item in its original packaging having survived intact all these years than the contents within the pack. I have many packs in my collection that I would never consider opening~for me, as an unopened collector, the appeal is being able to acquire the pack in its original form from the factory. For every collector, it comes down to personal preference~I would never presume to tell another collector that his method of collecting is not correct. Let me put it another way~for many collectors, putting together a mid-grade set in which most of the commons are not even worth the cost of the grading fee is not worth the energy or expense, either, but OTOH, there are other collectors who would appreciate what that pursuit entails regardless of the set's GPA or value. The wonderful thing about this hobby is that there is room for all kinds of preferences for any number of reasons.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
With the ask for wax packs in PSA 7 at $1500 per, don't you think rack packs at $1000-$1200 are underpriced?
At $1000-$1200, yes. But in regards to the value of the PSA graded 1971 wax pack, I believe a significant part of that premium is due to the pack set registry, which would obviously not apply to racks.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Judging from the 1973 Topps all series box rip of a few weeks ago, if you're expecting the cards contained inside the packs to justify the exhorbitant prices that these boxes are fetching, you're in for a rude awakening.
It's the asking price not the selling price. I highly doubt anyone will pay anything close to face value for this box.
There is plenty of value in unopened that goes beyond the sum of its parts. That said, the kind of unopened you're buying into is what my main point has been in this discussion.
Unfortunately with a box like this there is no way to know how much the packs within have been handled. For me, that takes most of the joy out of such a collectible. While it's possible this box came straight from a case, it's also possible that it didn't. And herein lies the value issue that I see with boxes like this and others that have popped up more as unopened FASC has become extremely rare and expensive.
As for ripping these boxes, money is not going to be a concern for the person who decides to go this route. They will be wanting cards to complete their set or to put them at a higher ranking in the registry. The only issue I see here is that if the packs in this box have been handled then, by using sequence, collectors can pick out the packs that have the important cards. It's hard work but when this much money is involved you can believe that people will certainly try to gain every edge they can.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
smr is meaningless. expect to pay 1700 to 2000 for a psa 7 pack and 2500 to 3000 for a psa 8 pack....and they rarely come up for sale.
That makes more sense. Few more questions. For Steve to certify this box, he had to correctly identify each pack as a series 4 pack, correct? We're the pack wraps different for each series? If not, then each pack must shows an identifiable card, correct?
Yes, wrapper variations differed by series. I doubt anyone would even be able to "put together" a 4th series 1971 wax box in the first place. It is almost impossible to locate even single packs to begin with. Of course, it's not guaranteed, but I'd bet this box is fully original.
What does "fully original" mean? Probably from a sealed case at one time?
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
smr is meaningless. expect to pay 1700 to 2000 for a psa 7 pack and 2500 to 3000 for a psa 8 pack....and they rarely come up for sale.
That makes more sense. Few more questions. For Steve to certify this box, he had to correctly identify each pack as a series 4 pack, correct? We're the pack wraps different for each series? If not, then each pack must shows an identifiable card, correct?
Yes, wrapper variations differed by series. I doubt anyone would even be able to "put together" a 4th series 1971 wax box in the first place. It is almost impossible to locate even single packs to begin with. Of course, it's not guaranteed, but I'd bet this box is fully original.
What does "fully original" mean? Probably from a sealed case at one time?
Yes, by fully original, I mean all packs within the box remain intact from the year of issue.
There is no way to be 100% certain, of course, but with experience, it becomes fairly easy to tell by inspecting the packs within the box if they are original to that particular box. For many years, like 1970s baseball, wax boxes should contain packs with an equal distribution of wrapper variations, for example, and other similar characteristics.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The only issue I have is that someone could have handled each pack (repeatedly) to see which cards are facing. This is how PSA is able to make flips for these packs afterall, saying which cards are on top and/or bottom.