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Please post a coin which meets my criteria.
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That criteria is a coin which has been stickered by CAC which you feel was wrongly stickered, that it is either sub-par(green) or not worthy of the gold sticker. Thanks in advance.
Al H.
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Refer to rule #4 and especially rule #7.
if this were true there would be much less traffic here, starting with every time someone complains about a PCGS coin they feel is wrongly graded. you and I would both be in trouble.
the reason for the thread is because I stated in another thread the following:
--- a CAC sticker should let you buy with no pictures if you really believe in them.
my meaning is clear, if you really believe in the CAC business model and what the service does, then you should feel secure in buying sight-unseen since it follows that you believe the coins they have stickered are superior for the grade. I made a subsequent reply in which I stated that " I am not aware of ever having seen someone post a green or gold stickered coin which was criticized by the JA followers" as being wrongly stickered, in other words not superior for the grade.
I had hoped for this thread to show us some of those coins. if none are shown, it follows that buying them sight-unseen would be safe for those who are proponents of the service.
I only have one green sticker coin and it's in a PCGS holder.
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what does one have to do with the other??
I think it will meet your criteria. That's relative and AKIN, to your thread title. And for that reason, I appreciate your input.
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1811 NGC MS68 CAC half dollar
I thought the coin was more like 66+/67 quality based on more marks than I expected and luster that seemed a bit muted. The two PCGS MS68 coins are not stickered - 1824 and 1833. Considering the coin fetched $92,000 in the down market of January 2009, maybe I'm just wrong.
We've all seen some stickered coins that we probably didn't agree with.
I don't think some (most coins) will meet others' criteria. Each (individual) has his own. I think some (people) use the eyes of the experts to assure those who's eyes aren't as good (the rest of us), or ; who's knowledge is so sharp they just follow the money.... so the masses can follow suit and be confident that there are entities out there trying to uphold standards, and advocating "good coins"....and that what we are "dealing" with are appropriately graded coins. (barring all the misgivings and shenanigans associated, i.e., counterfeiting, doctoring , etc., etc., )
The color, strike and luster along with an overall good for the grade coin ought to guarantee most coins in the top 2 TPG holders are held to a standard and many ( who knows how many million) meet the adherence to the same standard.
Now, I didn't create this "gradeflation" phenomena that has been alluded to in the hobby/market for so long. I just observe it.
The world of cracking out, flipping, upgrading and stickering (if that's a word), is all a product of ONE UPMANSHIP. And it obviously works and proves it's worth in large part.
And it is costly to the common collectors in the long run. But it supports the industry because .... well, not because I like you, that's for sure.
But I do.
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I like CAC.
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Nothing like continuing negative outlook and encourage bashing. Yes, that it was the thread is about and has the ability to do.
I like CAC, I am not a blind CAC purchaser, but it does have a positive aspect.
I have coins that have been to CAC and stickered green as well as gold and I have coins that I kept, that I like that have NOT stickered.
Most intelligent people believe in either a return policy (if buying "sight unseen", CAC or not) or seeing the coin before purchase (show, shop, etc).
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
what exactly is this supposed to mean??
In a public setting I've never seen a coin in a Dealers case with a sticker where I say to myself............"wtf"?
If you send a PCGS coin in for sticker....that to me says that you don't trust the PCGS grade. The whole CAC thing is a craze. Some collectors won't buy a coin without the sticker.
What a shame. It is as someone already mentioned.......just a money making _______.
I do not have any, in the hundreds of CAC coins I own. Be sure to have a couple things handy when your experiment runs it's course.
-Wipes to clean the egg from your face.
-A crowbar to remove the boot from your.....................
I do not have any, in the hundreds of CAC coins I own. Be sure to have a couple things handy when your experiment runs it's course.
-Wipes to clean the egg from your face.
-A crowbar to remove the boot from your.....................
You Must be a BIG CAC fan.
simply explained, in the other thread I stated that "a CAC sticker should let you buy with no pictures if you really believe in them." another member wondered Who told you that? Or did you just make it up? I explained my thinking farther down the page and then thought I'd ask for anyone to post a picture of a CAC coin they thought JA got wrong.
so far only twosides has posted one. apparently everyone tends to agree that a coin with a CAC sticker is a premium coin, so it follows that it would be reasonable to expect collectors who are CAC proponents to buy the coins sight unseen with a high degree of confidence.
why would that sort of thinking leave me with egg on my face or in need of said crowbar?? please explain.
Doesn't mean that all! There's probably too many to post.
Just having fun with the CAC haters that's all. To each his own!
That's news to me. Some may think they're not necessary- but, "hate"?
Don't know a single collector or dealer with this type of hatred.
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Just having fun with the CAC haters that's all. To each his own!
I'm not a hater.......just don't need it. I feel it gives some coins more respect than the coin deserves and sometimes coins without a sticker don't get the respect they do deserve.
Just having fun with the CAC haters that's all. To each his own!
I'm not a hater.......just don't need it. I feel it gives some coins more respect than the coin deserves and sometimes coins without a sticker don't get the respect they do deserve.
...then send them in for review
Just having fun with the CAC haters that's all. To each his own!
I'm not a hater.......just don't need it. I feel it gives some coins more respect than the coin deserves and sometimes coins without a sticker don't get the respect they do deserve.
...then send them in for review
No need to.
and keep the discussion civil and unbiased. I'm guessing most examples though would be from auctions, etc., as I don't think many members
would be posting photos of their own coins to show they are low end or overgraded!
The one example that comes to mind that I saw was from a dealer friend who had sent in his Saint collection to PCGS, then to CAC.
I have always wanted a 1907 NM, normal relief $20 in 64, but the one he had showed somewhat washed out luster, no original skin, and numerous contact marks.
I'm not a gold expert, but have looked at a few coins, and this was at best a 63 in my mind, but there it was in a 4 holder with a green sticker.
wabbit, this no experiment.
simply explained, in the other thread I stated that "a CAC sticker should let you buy with no pictures if you really believe in them." another member wondered Who told you that? Or did you just make it up? I explained my thinking farther down the page and then thought I'd ask for anyone to post a picture of a CAC coin they thought JA got wrong.
so far only twosides has posted one. apparently everyone tends to agree that a coin with a CAC sticker is a premium coin, so it follows that it would be reasonable to expect collectors who are CAC proponents to buy the coins sight unseen with a high degree of confidence.
why would that sort of thinking leave me with egg on my face or in need of said crowbar?? please explain.
I am the member who posted the response to your 'sight unseen' assertion. Here are the shortcomings of the theory as I see them.
1. Please show me if I have missed it, but CAC has never asserted that their sticker allows someone to be pleased with a sight unseen coin purchase because it has a sticker. I believe that TPGs may have asserted that as a benefit of their services when they began to offer them, but that was a technological eon ago. With modern digital imaging and the internet, when was the last time you decided to purchase a coin without images? Why did you make that decision instead of asking for some quick iphone pics?
2. Your premise assumes that the ONLY factor a coin purchaser is concerned with is that the coin is strong for the grade that it was assigned by a TPG. I like my Peace dollars white, I like my Walkers and Franklins white or toned, but only certain types of white and certain types of tone. I like my Mercs frosty, or toned, but only a certain types of toning. How would 'MS66' on a slab label, or a green CAC sticker tell me a thing about any of these other factors
3. Your perspective, in my opinion, is from a dealer's eyes. A dealer has many clients with many different tastes and perspectives. If 'sight unseen' coins are blast white, frosty, toned, or crusty chances are he has an outlet for those coins. A collector has only one client with one set of tastes, so it takes more than a sticker to ensure that the coin meets those tastes.
When I have purchased CAC stickered coins based on images alone, I have yet to be disappointed in the condition for the grade. So far that is a 100% satisfaction rate across about 250 purchases that would fall into that category. Is it possible I would get a CAC coin and be disappointed in the condition for the grade? Yes. But I like the odds.
Just having fun with the CAC haters that's all. To each his own!
I'm not a hater.......just don't need it. I feel it gives some coins more respect than the coin deserves and sometimes coins without a sticker don't get the respect they do deserve.
...then send them in for review
No need to.
My CAC sticker average is around 70% and it seems like they have really good taste! Most folks try to send in coins they think will sticker (which means CAC already gets the cream of the crop), but to be honest, I've sent in a few "Old Holder" coins that I thought they might sticker despite only being "adequate" for the grade......but, nooo. Also sent in a coin which was overgraded at MS-67, but had beautiful toning! Nope, CAC didn't take the bait, no sticker just for the color.
Another example was a Matte Proof Lincoln Cent I found on eBay, the seller had terrible pictures and the coin looked as brown as dark chocolate. Now the coin was graded "RB", had a CAC sticker and resided in an old NGC soap dish. I assumed it must have been stored improperly over the past 25+ years and the Cent turned from RB to BN, but the CAC sticker kept calling me back to it. Took a gamble, won the auction and much to my surprise, the coin is nearly Red! If it wasn't for CAC, I would have lost out on a great piece......we just have to trust them, and yes, I have ALMOST no qualms buying a CAC coin sight-unseen now.
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I've had a coin they completely blew it on. They bought it like they should have. Recently in the last year I felt a need to return a couple coins that I recall with green stickers. One I felt really didn't even make the grade let alone being solid for the grade. Which is what I understand is what a green thing means.
For those that feel I might have been too picky...... I believe the same coin is still for sale and has been to plenty of shows also. Price has come down which I am quite comfortable with my assessment of the coin. I actually can go on but folks with a vested interest will try and prove me wrong I suspect.
As I said, I certainly have what I feel are nice ones, so I'm not bashing.
Dear CAC haters, take a look at what can happen if your nice coins do not have the little sticker. 1885-CC Thread:
Posted this in a modern thread this A.M. reposting here, hoping it meets your criteria on this lovely Friday.
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