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A couple of Libertas related NEWPs
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My friend Mr. Cardinal inspired me to collect Libertas items and I've been trying to acquire pieces whenever I can. John Kraljivech came up for air in between Pogue IV and V and reached out to me with a couple pieces I couldn't say no too as I really don't have access to these any other way and I thought they looked cool. In a worst case scenario I will use them as coasters for beer bottles with concave bottoms. These have some awesome relief to them.
I actually picked these up from John Kraljevich yesterday in midst of all the Pogue chaos. As most of you know JK catalogued all of Pogue for SB so he had his hands full before, during and after the sale. The irony is that these two pieces sold for more then the 1804 Child's dollar and the 1822 $5 piece when I handed John a check
Anything intelligent sounding in the next two paragraphs I gleaned from JK.
Struck in 1976 in BRASS. Golden and shimmering . JK mentioned that he had never seen one aside from this example. Which means I haven't either. The edge is marked with the Paris Mint cornucopia, 1974, and an equally tiny "BP.FL," which means something, but I couldn't tell you what. Cardinal?
The bronze patina example also from the Paris Mint, struck from the nearly identical 1983 dies: the obverse exergue says 1783 3 Sept 1983 to mark the 200th anniversary of the Treaty of Versailles. This one actually came from the Dupre Archive: the family that inherited all of Augustin Dupre's effects tried to keep the collection up with the various modern manifestations of his work. A neat item.
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I actually picked these up from John Kraljevich yesterday in midst of all the Pogue chaos. As most of you know JK catalogued all of Pogue for SB so he had his hands full before, during and after the sale. The irony is that these two pieces sold for more then the 1804 Child's dollar and the 1822 $5 piece when I handed John a check
Anything intelligent sounding in the next two paragraphs I gleaned from JK.
Struck in 1976 in BRASS. Golden and shimmering . JK mentioned that he had never seen one aside from this example. Which means I haven't either. The edge is marked with the Paris Mint cornucopia, 1974, and an equally tiny "BP.FL," which means something, but I couldn't tell you what. Cardinal?
The bronze patina example also from the Paris Mint, struck from the nearly identical 1983 dies: the obverse exergue says 1783 3 Sept 1983 to mark the 200th anniversary of the Treaty of Versailles. This one actually came from the Dupre Archive: the family that inherited all of Augustin Dupre's effects tried to keep the collection up with the various modern manifestations of his work. A neat item.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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I have been inspired to collect them too, unfortunately I haven't been funded.
Dave Wnuck owned that Brass one briefly last October, before someone snatched it up within 20 minutes of being posted!
At appx 3" diameters, they are quite impressive, and they feature far more of the details seen on the original dies than the more recent issues.
I have a set of all three metals these were issued in. Do you have a silver one to complete your set?
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I knew it would happen.
Lots of eye candy in this thread!
I bet if they used that design on the "gold dollars" they might actually become popular.
This was one of the designs submitted for the new "golden" dollars -- similar, but different than the precise Libertas Americana design. I would have found these much more interesting in circulation that what we ended up with.
Struck in 1976 in BRASS. Golden and shimmering . JK mentioned that he had never seen one aside from this example. Which means I haven't either. The edge is marked with the Paris Mint cornucopia, 1974, and an equally tiny "BP.FL," which means something, but I couldn't tell you what. Cardinal?
Oh...I realized I missed the question you posed! Regarding the edge markings, the cornucopia means the medal was struck after 1960 (or thereabout), with the actually striking year stamped as 1974. The "BP.FL" is actually intended to read "BRFL" -- meaning Bronze Florentine alloy, with extra tin in the mix to bring out the golden brass color.
Struck in 1976 in BRASS. Golden and shimmering . JK mentioned that he had never seen one aside from this example. Which means I haven't either. The edge is marked with the Paris Mint cornucopia, 1974, and an equally tiny "BP.FL," which means something, but I couldn't tell you what. Cardinal?
Oh...I realized I missed the question you posed! Regarding the edge markings, the cornucopia means the medal was struck after 1960 (or thereabout), with the actually striking year stamped as 1974. The "BP.FL" is actually intended to read "BRFL" -- meaning Bronze Florentine alloy, with extra tin in the mix to bring out the golden brass color.
Boom.
Thank you
Still need the silver piece. Yours are amazing. Just don't ever see them. Are they squirreled away? Forgotten about?
Mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I bet if they used that design on the "gold dollars" they might actually become popular.
This was one of the designs submitted for the new "golden" dollars -- similar, but different than the precise Libertas Americana design. I would have found these much more interesting in circulation that what we ended up with.
Thanks for posting that, I had no idea it existed! I agree, superior to what we have been stuck with on dollar coins.
The first is struck in White metal and bronzed. Diameter is 54 mm, plain edge. The reverse has an 1848 date, and is probably related to the 1848 French Revolution.. I have never encountered another example:
The second, a small medal in brass, appears more recent. 28mm diameter, plain edge.One of this exact same design just sold on ebay for $320 on May 11th, but the description gave zero insight into what it was. I have no idea what it was struck for either, but I do know that the one on ebay plus the one in my collection are the only two I have ever seen.
If anyone has more specific information pertaining to what these two medals are, I would appreciate it.
I bet if they used that design on the "gold dollars" they might actually become popular.
This was one of the designs submitted for the new "golden" dollars -- similar, but different than the precise Libertas Americana design. I would have found these much more interesting in circulation that what we ended up with.
I like that!
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