Lincoln Die Trial - CWT or not?
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I've been looking at CWTs for a while and recently ran across the following Lincoln token die trial which I thought was pretty cool. I couldn't match it to any CWTs in the references I was using and I was wondering if anyone can identify this. Anyone have an idea of what this is?
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Way kewl piece!
TD
I'd say not CWT but as the Captain mentioned, a medal.
I looked my old copy of Fuld, but I didn't see any reverse that looked like it.
Ditto. I checked the Patriotic edition as well. I did not see that particular profile of Abe.
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I does look similar to Mirriam's Lincoln design, but certainly a different portrait. Are you saying it is probably a die trial from an unknown die he created?
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I does look similar to Mirriam's Lincoln design, but certainly a different portrait. Are you saying it is probably a die trial from an unknown die he created?
I think it might be closer to J-C1868 / P5105 which is just
the bust & no wording.
An image of this is in United States Pattern Coins 10th edition
on page 318 under Pieces Not of Mint Origins
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Love the look of this piece and hope more light will be shed on it in the future
USPatterns.com has an image of P5105 here.
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Regarding this piece, I have no info on it and am just going by what people are saying in this thread.
The book is the one referenced by TD above.
Regarding this piece, I have no info on it and am just going by what people are saying in this thread.
TD simply stated the "Merriam medal book." I do not believe one exists yet, and I think perhaps he is talking about the Bolen reference by Neil Musante?
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What "Merriam book" are you all talking about? As a great admire of Joseph Merriam, the medalist in Civil War era Boston, I'm unaware of a definitive reference book and this looks nothing like his work. Completely different.
Completely different? How so? I think they at least are similar.
The book is the one referenced by TD above.
Regarding this piece, I have no info on it and am just going by what people are saying in this thread.
TD simply stated the "Merriam medal book." I do not believe one exists yet, and I think perhaps he is talking about the Bolen reference by Neil Musante?
"D'OH!" Yes, I meant the Bolen book.
What "Merriam book" are you all talking about? As a great admire of Joseph Merriam, the medalist in Civil War era Boston, I'm unaware of a definitive reference book and this looks nothing like his work. Completely different.
Completely different? How so? I think they at least are similar.
Also, it looks very similar to AL 1864-32 campaign medal in Sullivan's book
This was posted a few years ago ATS by Bill Jones
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Close? It is a cropped version of the 1864. When I say cropped, I don't mean in today's terms. That is an exact match, just slightly reduced in scope.
The hair on the 1864 is very different. The 1864 has a pretty sharp hair part line from the forehead to the back of the head which isn't present on the 1866 or die trial.
Seems like the die trail has hair closer to the 1866 and suit closer to the 1864.
I think a lighter strike of the 1864, reduced, could produce the same image.
The die trial looks pretty hammered to me. I'm not sure how a lighter strike of the 1864 would match up with the hair part line.
The suit does look closer, but I don't see you you'd end up with the same hair given how deep of a crease the hair part line looks on the 1864.
Very neat coin--I like it.