Toning on Brown Box Ike Dollars.
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I see considerably more Brown Box Ike Dollars than GSA Dollars, but they both have a few things in common: they were both issued around the same time and they were both issued in the same type of packaging, the plastic shell with a black plastic "surround" and placed inside of a faux velvet box.
Anyone who has looked at the Ike's should be aware that they toned, sometimes very nicely. I remember several years ago that Wondercoin posted a picture of a real stunner. This past week I found a nice one which is what prompted me to start this thread. I have noticed that not every year has a tendency to tone or haze, typically the 1972's are always hazed to some degree, rarely the 1973's and sometimes the other two years. Mine was a 1974.
Given the similarity of the packaging I have wondered why the GSA Dollars never tone in a similar fashion so I thought I would ask what others thought the reason(s) might be for that. I suppose it may be that the Ike's are Proof and the mirrored surfaces lend themselves to what is happening and that the GSA's may have developed a "skin" during their years in storage which protects them.
Can anyone speculate what the reason might be?? Also, if you have a niely toned Ike please post it, especially if it's a 1973.
Al H.
Anyone who has looked at the Ike's should be aware that they toned, sometimes very nicely. I remember several years ago that Wondercoin posted a picture of a real stunner. This past week I found a nice one which is what prompted me to start this thread. I have noticed that not every year has a tendency to tone or haze, typically the 1972's are always hazed to some degree, rarely the 1973's and sometimes the other two years. Mine was a 1974.
Given the similarity of the packaging I have wondered why the GSA Dollars never tone in a similar fashion so I thought I would ask what others thought the reason(s) might be for that. I suppose it may be that the Ike's are Proof and the mirrored surfaces lend themselves to what is happening and that the GSA's may have developed a "skin" during their years in storage which protects them.
Can anyone speculate what the reason might be?? Also, if you have a niely toned Ike please post it, especially if it's a 1973.
Al H.
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I don't own a Brown Ike just a Blue one.
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Go to this link and you can see 1973 nicely toned Ike dollar. Sorry, I don't know how to post picture here
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That is nicely toned, but nickel clad and not the silver clad found in the brown boxes.
I agree with Keets on his observations.
1971-S sometimes hazy, not generally so, sometimes blue toned, once in a while has hazy rim color, rarely with nice bullseye tone
1972-S generally hazy, blue toned coins very common, sometimes with some green mixed in. Nice bullseye coins scarce.
1973-S mostly untoned, some are hazy but I haven't seen a killer 73-S in original packaging
1974-S bullseye toning, sometimes quite attractive, sometimes just "eh". A lot of 74-S coins have a really pretty obverse, and a hazy ugly reverse with large soft spots and discoloration. Some 74-S coins look blue/green like the 72-S.
Agree on the other counts; 71 silver proofs just get crap haze, 72 silver proofs are common with blue haze, 73 silver proof tend to be the "cleanest" from haze - slightly better than 71S, and of course the colorful target toning on 74 silver proof is by far prevalent.
Here's a 73 silver proof that did indeed come directly from the plastic Mint holder:
73's on the other hand are the easiest to find white with out toning. There certainly are some neat 73 toners. The plastic changed late in 1973 and those coins will tone much more like the 74's. Virtually all 74's are toned with a purple/blue/red peripheral toning. Sometimes it can be very neat looking. I can not recall seeing a pure white (untoned) 74.
There was a huge group...maybe 200-300 coins in OGP that surfaced at a FUN show about 10 years ago. They all have a similar look. Pretty heavily toned. The story was they were in a barn somewhere. I was shown 2-3 coin and paid about $50 each. Then all of a sudden 100 pieces showed up at my table. I ended up buying them for $10 or $15 each. No grading service would grade them, raw or in the plastic. I ended up putting them on E-Bay and getting around $25/coin. These occasionally show up in the market, and recently i've seen a few in holders out of this hoard.
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Stuff like that happens quite frequently.
Graders get accustomed to seeing a certain look from a certain date, and when one comes in that's out of their comfort zone.....
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-S...R-TONED-/162024938712?
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before or after striking??
After strike ..
so far as I know the planchets are rinsed/cleaned before striking but not after. where did you get your "after strike" information??
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PCGS just graded this beauty PR69DCAM and my son is selling it on eBay. So, a cheap plug for my son, Justin, while at the same time showing off a very cool 74-S Silver Ike Dollar. And, it is a tribute to the 74-S Silver coin in Justin's personal toned proof Ike collection that he can even part with this coin! Yes, Keets, Justin did show off some of his favorite toned Proof Ike Dollars in a thread here many years ago. We would love to see yours!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-S...R-TONED-/162024938712?
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Justin personal toned proof Ike collection (if memory serves me right, seriously started by him about 11 years ago when he was the ripe old age of 13) is a sight to behold. I'll twist his arm tonight to take some pics of the silver 1974-S PCGS-PR69DCAM in his personal collection.
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yeah, gold to blue to red/purple to gold to greenish and a gold wash on the portrait, the reverse has hazey green/gold. it's one of the prettier ones I have found. my other question would be why do they tend to tone almost exclusively on the obverse??
My guess is that the "toning" or "hazing" is a direct result of the environment which surrounded the coins both during the manufacturing process and the packaging process.
During the manufacture, different rinsing techniques may have been used as the program progressed which culminated in the wild toning/hazing which occures on the 1974-S Coins.
As for the obverse vs the reverse? My guess is aimed directly at the packaging processes and what ever gasses occurred during the process.
I do know that the hole in the black insert that the coins are mounted in is beveled. Smaller diameter on the reverse (bottom) than the obverse (top). Th is would only allows the coin to be, mechanically, placed in the hole from the top. If a gas was used during the process then this could account for a lot of the toning variations.
Maybe the coins were picked up with suction and released into the black inserts? (again another gas).
Maybe the equipment being used was getting old and tired in 1974?
One thing for certain though, each of the different years has some fairly unique toning/hazing patterns.
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Go to this link and you can see 1973 nicely toned Ike dollar. Sorry, I don't know how to post picture here
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That is nicely toned, but nickel clad and not the silver clad found in the brown boxes.
I think jcping is well aware of the alloy compositions of the IKE Dollar whether it applies to the topic in this thread or not.
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