Shield Nickel Variety question(ANSWERED)

jesbroken

I was preparing to soak this Shield Nickel to see if I can rid it of reverse verdigris(never know),

when I noticed the C in Cents was whole and unbroken. I checked and the Star was centered on

the A in states, left foot of M in America, and center of the R in America and with no broken letters.

According to CPG 6th Edition Volume l this would make it an FS-905. Am I correct or did I miss

something?

Thanks

Jim

Barndog

I sure do miss IGWT. He knew his shields.

LanceNewmanOCC

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you should be able to pull up some info/images to verify if yours is the "perfect" reverse.

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JCLIGHTBRIGADE

Kinda looks more like the 906, bit I'm no expert.

jesbroken

The Letters on the reverse show no weakness as the 906 does, there is a ding in the T and E but no signs of weakness throughout the lettering that I can see.

Jim

DIMEMAN

This is interesting. I did some research and figured out that 901 thru 904 is how many of the letters CSSD are broken and the 905 is perfect (none broken) but can't figure out what the 906 is. Somebody teach me.

Also, this coin doesn't appear to be a rev of 68.

Walkerguy21D

HowardS is still around I believe, he could help identify it.
If I could recall his website, you could research it there.


Found it: http://shieldnickels.net/

howards

It's not FS-905. This coin shows the reverse of '67, while FS-905 requires reverse of '68.

howards

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN

) but can't figure out what the 906 is. Somebody teach me.

906 is a transitional between one no broken letters and one broken letter. It shows a thin strip of broken C on the first C of CENTS.

DIMEMAN

Originally posted by: howards
It's not FS-905. This coin shows the reverse of '67, while FS-905 requires reverse of '68.

That's what I thought.....thanks Howard.

DIMEMAN

Originally posted by: howards

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN
) but can't figure out what the 906 is. Somebody teach me.

906 is a transitional between one no broken letters and one broken letter. It shows a thin strip of broken C on the first C of CENTS.

Thanks.

howards

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN

Originally posted by: howards

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN

) but can't figure out what the 906 is. Somebody teach me.

906 is a transitional between one no broken letters and one broken letter. It shows a thin strip of broken C on the first C of CENTS.

Thanks.

BTW, there are other transitionals: one broken letter to two, two to three, three to four. They don't have CPG numbers.

DIMEMAN

I took a look at the Shield Nickel Complete Variety Set.....OMG!!!

Some serious numbers there!!

howards

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN

I took a look at the Shield Nickel Complete Variety Set.....OMG!!!



Some serious numbers there!!

Yeah. The hardest problem in the shield nickel section of CPG is deciding what to include, keeping it small enough so that CPG doesn't become a shield nickel reference.



CPG has perhaps 20% of the known shield nickel varieties. I've tried to steer it towards the most interesting varieties.

DIMEMAN

Originally posted by: howards

Originally posted by: DIMEMAN
I took a look at the Shield Nickel Complete Variety Set.....OMG!!!

Some serious numbers there!!

Yeah. The hardest problem in the shield nickel section of CPG is deciding what to include, keeping it small enough so that CPG doesn't become a shield nickel reference.

CPG has perhaps 20% of the known shield nickel varieties. I've tried to steer it towards the most interesting varieties.

Do you collect all of the varieties or just the CPG varieties?

mannie gray

Howard is the Shield Nickel guru.

They really are fascinating coins.

howards

Do you collect all of the varieties or just the CPG varieties?

I don't care if a variety has a CPG number or not. My collection is focused on those varieties I like: doubled dies, widespread RPDs, 1883/2, and a few oddball things like rotated dies or contemporary counterfeits.

howards

Originally posted by: mannie gray

Howard is the Shield Nickel guru.

That's certainly a nicer way to say it than "the shield nickel idiot savant."



Thanks!

dbldie55

Originally posted by: howards

It's not FS-905. This coin shows the reverse of '67, while FS-905 requires reverse of '68.

What he said.



Here is one of my FS-905's







Look at the reverse. The star is pointing at the E of STATES in your image, and at the last S of STATES in this one.

DIMEMAN

Originally posted by: dbldie55

Originally posted by: howards
It's not FS-905. This coin shows the reverse of '67, while FS-905 requires reverse of '68.

What he said.

Here is one of my FS-905's



Look at the reverse. The star is pointing at the E of STATES in your image, and at the last S of STATES in this one.

Nice coin!

IrishMikey

I always use the star point at 12:00, like the previous posters mentioned. Hard to go wrong with that diagnostic.

jesbroken

Thanks to all for your responses. I wish the 12:00 star point had been listed as a diagnostic in the CPG, it would have made this cut and dried for a novice in this series of coins.

Thanks Howard for your help and email.

Jim

hchcoin

Originally posted by: mannie gray
Howard is the Shield Nickel guru.
They really are fascinating coins.

I will second that

LanceNewmanOCC

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cpg vol. 1 5th edition pgs 196-201 show the diagnostics for 901-906.



i haven't purchased 6th edition yet.

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howards

Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC

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cpg vol. 1 5th edition pgs 196-201 show the diagnostics for 901-906.



i haven't purchased 6th edition yet.

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6th Edition has the same text as the 5th. Or you can look here:



1868 reverse of 68 hub varieties

jesbroken

Howard,

I thank you for your time in this matter. I viewed the page that you offered and it offered pics of FS901,902, 903, 904 and 905 but not an FS-906. I understand my 1868 Shield Nickel is not an FS905, I just don't know which it is as it does not fit any of the catergories as far as star point directions. I hate to be a pain, but I don't see any match at all. Which FS number to you feel this coin falls in and why, if you would help me to see the match.

Thank you so much for your time.

Jim

howards

Jim,



Your nickel is a typical 1868 with the reverse of '67 (reverse IIa). It does not appear in CPG.



Most people would not consider it a variety. I consider the pairing of Obv A/Rev IIa to be a variety, (although an extremely common one). My SNV reference assigns S1-0000 to this pairing.



I don't have pictures of FS-906 on my website because I didn't want to get into the transitionals there. But FS-906 looks a lot like FS-901, except there is a sliver of the original curve of the missing tail of the C present.



I may have already posted this link. This web page has photos of the shield nickel reverse hubs:



Shield Nickel Reverse Hubs



Compare the star positions on your coin to hub IIa, and you'll see they match.

jesbroken

You did post the site, which is what I used. I apologize, Howard, as a total novice to this coin, I did not know there was a 1868 reverse of 1867. I kept trying to visualize which of the 6 reverse of 1868 that I had and was frustrated that nothing matched. My coin, of course, perfectly matches the reverse of 1867. I just happened to run across a Shield Nickel with the reverse of 1867 and certainly it matched. Again, I apologize to all responders for my ignorance. I will never forget this instance, I guarantee.

Thank you all.

Jim

LanceNewmanOCC

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thanks for the links and info.



i am always looking to increase my comfort level with these.

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howards

No reason to apologize, Jim. You asked good questions. How else are you going to find something out?



BTW, if anyone wants to know the possible shield nickel hub pairings, they are listed here:



http://www.shieldnickels.net/hubs/hubs.html