What's going with this eBay auction
CommemKing
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I'm the high bidder and I just checked the cert number. The cert is no good. Could this be a fake?
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By "bad", I mean fake.
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Tommy
If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.
Tommy
I don't like it.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
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Could be wrong though.
8 digits at most never been any with 9.
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Every other PCGS coin that has been sold by this member since they joined eBay in January checks out just fine, and is reflected in their 100% feedback rating. Only unless you believe that this seller got unknowingly scammed when they acquired this coin, then why worry ?
Heritage of 20667555
http://coins.ha.com/itm/commem...?hdnJumpToLot=1x=0&y=0
Lance.
There is a sucker born every minute...
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Every other PCGS coin that has been sold by this member since they joined eBay in January checks out just fine, and is reflected in their 100% feedback rating. Only unless you believe that this seller got unknowingly scammed when they acquired this coin, then why worry ?
Heritage of 20667555
http://coins.ha.com/itm/commem...JumpToLot=1x=0&y=0
Looks like the nail in the coffin to me.
Collector, occasional seller
Every other PCGS coin that has been sold by this member since they joined eBay in January checks out just fine, and is reflected in their 100% feedback rating. Only unless you believe that this seller got unknowingly scammed when they acquired this coin, then why worry ?
Heritage of 20667555
http://coins.ha.com/itm/commem...JumpToLot=1x=0&y=0
Wouldn't be the first time someone removed a CAC sticker while in possession. Look at the stacking tabs on the front images the seller presents. They're a perfect match to PCGS holders with that generation of label. The coin in the images could not possibly be any less than MS-63, unless it is counterfeit. The spread for the Bridgeport from 63-65 is $110-$150. If you really believe that someone is desperate enough to do all the work to sub a 63 for a 65, then you're the kind that can't see the forest, 'cause the trees are in the way. Like I stated above: why worry? The OP has eBay buyer protection and perhaps even a second level of insulation if they used a CC with PayPal.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
Collector, occasional seller
How does one explain the additional 5 in the cert #? Although the photos are terrible, it also appears that none of the marks on the Heritage coin are shown on the ebay one.
If your reading comprehension is up to par, you would notice that the Heritage sale was 4 years ago. A lot can happen to a coin in a holder in 4 years. Even if you really think you can interpret the surfaces of the eBay coin from the images well enough to compare to 4 year old Heritage images, you should be a forensic analyst.
FWIW to the conspiracy theorists, the inserts in the newest generation of PCGS holder cannot be removed from the holder without damaging some of the anti-counterfeiting devices on the insert. The only plausible explanation for the wrong cert. number would be from a faulty photo edit, and the coin/label are both hijacked images superimposed over the rest of the holder image. As long as the OP has the proper buyer protections, WGAF ?
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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Multiple COUNTERFEIT PCGS holdersfrom seller ahello2u23
This is a newbie eBay crook that is probably just testing-out his scam to sell counterfeit PCGS items. He is making his own PCGS holders, probably with a 3D printer and inserting real coins that are 1 or 2 grades lower. When you compare his fake PCGS holders to the REAL PCGS holders, they are almost exact, but, the coins are definately not the same.
I don't think I will be paying this guy. Glad I caught it in time so I didn't have to deal with the fiasco of returning it or dealing with ebay.
Tell them why when you ask to cancel auction - it is possible they bought a group from someone with some bad ones mixed in and they do not know.
Fake.
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This is the first Ive ever seen of this kind.
I've never bought a coin off eBay.
But on other auction sites, the first thing I do is verify the cert no. to see if it's in the database, see if there's a trueview and to see the price guide.
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He canceled the auction no questions asked. Should he be reported or should I leave it alone?
Leave it alone, if you want to watch their other auctions and report counterfeits that is fine. Who would you report them too? I am not sure who at PCGS follows up with counterfeits of their products - they probably should have a division to keep their brand intact.
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U usually do check it out first. For some reason I didn't check this one until after I bid. Hey, at least I caught it before I paid.
I can see that happening.
Glad you caught it.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress
He canceled the auction no questions asked. Should he be reported or should I leave it alone?
Leave it alone, if you want to watch their other auctions and report counterfeits that is fine. Who would you report them too? I am not sure who at PCGS follows up with counterfeits of their products - they probably should have a division to keep their brand intact.
I reported all of his auctions and even his past sales as they were ALL counterfeit.
On his one raw morgan I asked:
"Hi,
I see you are counterfeiting PCGS slabs and placing your artificially toned coins inside them with higher grades thereby defrauding people on many counts.
Is there a a reason why you did not do the same for this morgan?
thank you"
If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.
Tommy
I'd be willing to bet the coin and slab are fine and it's a PCGS database issue and bad pixellated pics. This just doesn't match the usual fake slab MO, IMO.
Could be wrong though.
The coin itself seems like it could be a decent MS65.
1885 morgon dol
He ATed the coin then placed them in genuine pcgs holder using homemade labels. Reported.
Obviously this EBay seller is running a scam on ALL the coins he has listed. I am very surprised at how many folks here think it's an image problem or no big deal as long as the coin is genuine.
Think that just been cooked in the holder.
The labels are homemade!
This guy sold me TWO COUNTERFEIT PCGS holders. BEWARE!!!!
I'm sure this Counterfeiter will be back selling his Counterfeit PCGS holders on eBay soon, under a different eBay user name.
Why did you also leave him 1 positive feedback?
Arizona,
Why did you also leave him 1 positive feedback?
someone else left the feedback
This one (completed sale) looks even worse . . . .
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The slab appears fake to me.
This one (completed sale) looks even worse . . . .
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Too bad the buyer of that counterfeit PCGS holder has no idea that he was scammed and since ebay now blocks the name of the buyer, he can't even be contacted to let him know this. Even worse, look at the feedback the duped buyer left this crook:
Very very nice coin, Thank you for the quick and painless transaction !~ t***8 ( 1117Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999) During past 6 months
1881 S MS65PL PCGS MORGAN DOLLAR OGH DCAM ON MIRRORS Colorfully Edged (#262301559833) US $260.00 View Item